Leilei: Welcome back to our Transfer Talks Podcast. My name is Leilei and I'm a Transfer Jacks Peer Mentor. We have a special guest with us today who would like to share their transfer experience with us. Teddy: Yeah, my name is Teddy. Teddy Woolsey. I am a Psychology major here at NAU and I transferred back in 2020. Lele: Sweet, sweet, very nice. Okay, well, let's get into the questions. Teddy: Yeah! Leilei: Sweet. Okay, so how about we just start a little bit light? Let's just ease into it. Teddy: Yeah, I like that. Lele: So, NAU Gold or NAU Blue? Teddy: I like blue. Blue is more subtle. I don't know. Gold is very like. Leilei: In your face? Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: That's so funny because. Teddy: It's very like, look at me, like, you know? I'm like. Leilei: I'm about the gold. So I'm, I mean. Teddy: Really? Leilei: I'm not about the look at me, but my favorite color is like yellow and I feel like that's the closest you can get. Teddy: It's close. Leilei: Yeah! Yeah, yeah. Teddy: Yeah. I feel like oftentimes it's basically just yellow anyways. Leilei: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Teddy: Just, gold sounds nicer. Leilei: Yeah. It's just like a little metallic. Teddy: Yeah, yeah. Leilei: Yeah! Yeah. Teddy: A little sparkle. I mean, that's kind of cool. Leilei: Sweet! Another one is the Dub or the Hot Spot? Teddy: I like the Dub. Leilei: Oh my gosh, why? Teddy: What? Oh, you have a problem with the Dub? Leilei: Slightly. No, I'm just kidding. You go first. Teddy: I don't really eat that much on campus, but when I do, I don't know. I feel like I'm just there a lot and I'm like, it's my comfort zone. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: So I just kind of like it, you know? Leilei: Okay, Okay. Teddy: I don't even really like, I kind of just, whatever everyone else I'm with is eating, I'm just like, I'll just have that. Like, I don't care. And I've always enjoyed it so far. So I just kind of, yeah. Leilei: Yeah! You can do that, you know, at the Hot Spot too. Teddy: Oh, okay, okay. Leilei: Yeah. I'm just more Hot Spot because I'm more North campus. I'm barely at South. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: But it is a lot bigger, so. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: And they kind of have like a little bit more options. So yeah. Teddy: I feel like it's just a little bit fancier. Leilei: It really is! Teddy: I don't know. The presentation, I always feel like I'm going into like a fancy like lounge area, you know? Leilei: I know, right? I know. Teddy: Yeah. Yeah. Leilei: Yeah. And it's a lot bigger than you think. I'll be like turning corners. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: And I'm like, I didn't even know that was there. Teddy: It is like a maze. Like there's just. Leilei: It really is! Teddy: Oh, now there's this thing. Now there's that thing. Yeah. Leilei: I don't even know where to sit, you know? Teddy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Leilei: Okay. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Sweet. Okay. Another, another relaxed one. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: We're doing a great, we're doing great. Teddy: We're doing good. Leilei: Honestly. Okay. So the sun or snow? Teddy: That is a hard one. I even thought of this beforehand and I'm like, I don't know. Because I, here's the thing. I like the snow when it's like a little bit melted and it's not too bad. And it's like, I could just put on. I like jackets and coats and like cardigans. I just like. Leilei: You like the layers. Teddy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like layers. But the sun is really nice too. I mean, it's just. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Yeah, it's nice, but it's also like. Then like you got to put on sunscreen because I get sunburned when get I exposed to sunlight for like one second. So, I get. Leilei: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: It's like, it really depends on like how I feel kind of thing. Teddy: Totally, totally. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Do you have like a favorite like kind of like? What do you call it? Teddy: Like season? Leilei: Season. Yeah. Teddy: Yeah. I like Fall. I like Fall. Leilei: I do too. Teddy: Because it's a middle ground. Leilei: I know. I don't really like. I mean, Summer and Winter are nice until it's not nice. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You know? Teddy: Totally. Leilei: I get, the snow these days. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: I'm over it. Teddy: Yeah. Summer is like. I feel like especially in Flagstaff, there's like a little bit where it's nice and then it gets way too hot. And then it kind of. As it transitions over to winter, it gets nice again. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: For like just a little bit. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: And that's in Fall. So I'm like, it's within Fall. I like Fall. Leilei: I get the whole layers too, like. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: The cute like scarves and the cardigans, I'm about that. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: But then again, I grew up. I'm a desert rat. Teddy: Oh, yeah? Leilei: I'm from Yuma, Arizona. Teddy: Oh, okay. Yeah. Leilei: So I'm not saying I love the desert. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: But I do like not wearing like the, the extra layers on top. It's just. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: I just, I like to just slip two things on. There you go. Teddy: I feel that. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in a lot of different places. Leilei: Oh! Teddy: So I feel like most places I've lived have been pretty cold. So it's like I kind of am more used to it. Leilei: Is that a bias right there? Teddy: It is total bias. Yeah. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Total bias. Leilei: It's not obvious. Teddy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little bit of a bias. But yeah, no. I love. Yeah. I don't know. I like. I, I don't know why like the heat like bothers me because I'm like, I can only take off so many layers. Leilei: You're not the only one. Teddy: Yeah! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But cold, I can just bundle up until I'm like a, you know, a marshmallow just covered in. Like, you know, and it works. Leilei: I'll tell you something. During the winter is when you're like all layered up, right? Teddy: Yeah. Lele: But then you come inside and the heater's blasting. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: And so you have to remove those layers like immediately. Teddy: Yeah. They do that in, like in Safeway where it's like they have a like little layer, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Of like heaters, Leilei: Yeah! Teddy: As you come in and you're like, ahh! Like too much! And then you go in and then it's just, it kind of like evens out. Leilei: Yeah. Yeah! Yeah. Teddy: It's fine. Leilei: Takes, it takes time, takes time. Teddy: Yeah. Yeah. An adjustment. Leilei: The transition, right there. Teddy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Leilei: Okay. Well, speaking of transition, let's kind of like get into that, shall we? Teddy: That was a good transition. Leilei: I know. Honestly, that wasn't even planned. I was like, I should use that. Teddy: Nice. Leilei: Okay. So sweet. We'll start with, how do you feel about being a transfer student? Teddy: I feel, I feel good. I like, I like, you know, you kind of come into NAU or wherever you're transferring to or from like you kind of are always coming into it with a bit more, a bit more experience, I feel like. Like you kind of have more, like it's, it's, even though the, the situation is new and like the place is new, like it's not really, you, you already have been to college. You've already been away from, you know, from like a high school environment. So you already kind of have like that transition. So I, you know, sometimes it's kind of tough when you're like, feel a little bit different sometimes Leilei: Yeah! Teddy: From it because you've had a different path. And especially most people become transfer students for like or go to community college before like a four-year like university for like a specific reason. Leilei: Yeah! Teddy: So usually there's more, there's like more variation in terms of like the life kind of path that you've had. And that's definitely been the case for me, but also I, I can kind of come into this being like, I know what I want and I know what I'm getting out of it. Leilei: And I like how you talked about like how people have like different routes or they come from different places. I love how us, as like a transfer like community, we like have our own stories of how we came here. It's not very like one kind of thing. Again, like you said, JuCo or community college, maybe like other reasons around that, but we're here. You know? Yeah. Teddy: Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And it's like, it's very, I don't know, I feel like especially like thinking about after college, with like employment and you know, I feel like we tend to have more experience like in the, I don't want to say real world, but like outside of college world, I guess you could say. Leilei: Yeah! Teddy: So there tends to be a bit more of that advantage there as far as like, I feel a little more secure and like I've had some more time, some more experience. I'm a little older, like you know, it feels like I have a little bit more under my belt, I guess. Leilei: Yeah. And if you mind me asking, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Like define or like kind of elaborate on what you mean by like experience, because that's very broad, you know? Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Like where exactly are you kind of taking that into? Teddy: Yeah, you know, I have more experience. I mean, I've lived on my own since I was 18. And I'm 24 now. So I've, you know, I'm, a lot of people will, will kind of go into college like being, and there's nothing wrong with this path or anything. It's just, you know, a lot of people will kind of go into it being more, you know, they just went from high school kind of the traditional path, you know, but then when you're in college, college is a very like controlled environment, you know, it's very, there's a very linear kind of path. Like if you have a certain major, it's like, here's what you do, and we have people to help you. And here's places to live within our, our little like bubble, Leilei: Yes. Teddy: you know. And transfer students, obviously, it depends, but transfer students tend to have a bit more. And with me, like I've had more of that, like, I've had to kind of figure things out a bit more on my own, like kind of, you know, I've had to, you know, I've had to kind of figure out some more things with like my finances, for example, or like experience with, with more of that kind of, again, I don't like this term, but like real world, you know. Leilei: Yeah, I mean, it's giving me like a sense of autonomy, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Like independence to kind of work on your own. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Because I mean, it's not like, again, there's nothing wrong with coming here immediately after high school, but it's different. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: It's different. Like we've all had different things that happen. And I don't want to say that people that come from high school are, are less than, but there's just a different, in a sense, level of maturity of like, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Like you said, just kind of like experience in life. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You know? Teddy: Totally. Leilei: And again, there's nothing wrong with that. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: It's just, we all come from different places. Teddy: Yeah, totally. Yeah, and I feel like, you know, I, I don't know, I feel like the job market these days is so, there's like a lot of people have degrees. And so it's like, you kind of have to do things to stick out sometimes. And there's many ways to do that, like if you're not a transfer student, but I feel like as a transfer student, often you kind of have that taken care of, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Because you already had more of that kind of outside world experience. And, you know, also you, you potentially have more money saved from the fact that you went to community college, got a lot of those, you know, Leilei: We have our reasons. Teddy: General eds out of the way. Leilei: You know. Yeah, yeah. Teddy: Yeah, totally, yeah. Leilei: And every reason is valid at the end of the day, you know? Teddy: Totally, totally. Leilei: Okay, great answer. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: I love how we just like totally like, Teddy: Yeah Leilei: Opened that. Teddy: Yeah, yeah, likewise. Leilei: Great, great. So another one is, if you could go back and change anything from your, about your transition, is there anything that you would change? Teddy: Well, I transferred during COVID, like right as it hit. I transferred that, that Spring semester of 2020. So if there's anything I change, it would be that COVID didn't happen. Leilei: Yeah, time. Teddy: Yeah, time! Teddy: So if you're watching this and you're about to transfer, I mean, that's, you already have, you know, there's already so many things you have open there. But yeah, I think just probably, you know, as much as I could, maybe getting more involved with like transfer events and things like that. Like, I, you know, a lot of the things that I got involved in were like, not transfer-specific. And it is kind of funny, because sometimes you do feel a little bit like, I think it kind of depends what it is, like, most of the time I don't, but sometimes you feel a little out of place. Because it's like a little bit, I don't know, like, especially with like new students, like new, like, I feel like the difference between a freshman and a transfer student is often pretty different. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: So, you know. Leilei: It's only, it's only natural. I mean, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Like you've adapted into another environment, now you have to do it again. Teddy: Right. Leilei: Here, and you like, you feel like because you're, in a sense, an upperclassman, you're not a freshman, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Necessarily transferring, and that you have to know a certain amount being on campus at the time, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You know? Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You just feel some sort of pressure. I don't feel like people are directly doing it. You just, you do it on your own Teddy: Yeah Leilei: Kind of thing. Teddy: Yeah Leilei: But yeah, yeah. Teddy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, for me, like, especially like a big difference that I noticed was like, talking about what high school you went to and things like that. Like, I'm like, oh, God, I don't remember. I don't know. Like, you know, I went, like, I actually went to high school in Massachusetts. And then after ninth grade, I got my GED. And that was in 2014. So like, actually, I got my GED in 2015. But my last year of high school was 2014. And then I, I, you know, did community college and various things. And then I transferred here in 2020. And so when I hear people talking about like high school, like for me, at that point, that was six years ago, you know? Leilei: Yeah, you're like, let me think about it. Teddy: Yeah, like I don't know. Like, I get asked did your, your high school do this or that? I'm like, I don't know. Leilei: I think that's the funny thing too. So when you're in college, you're like a university, no one knows how old anybody is. Teddy: No. Leilei: You can get away with it. Teddy: No, totally. Leilei: Honestly. Teddy: Totally. And you know what, that's, that's been, it's funny, because when I, when I started, like, I started community college early. And so I felt really young then, especially because my community college, and I'm sure most community colleges have, like generally kind of an older population, obviously than just like a standard like university Leilei: Yeah. Yeah. Teddy: Like NAU. So I was like, then used to being like the young like person and feeling like kind of out of place. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Now I'm here and I'm like, I'm a little old. Leilei: Okay, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Not to Teddy: Yeah Leilei: Do it so dramatically, right? Teddy: Like yeah. But you know, it's not really like, it's also been good experience, because like, when you go out in the world, like, outside of college, like in jobs, or whatever, like, there's always big age differences and you know, it's, it's good to like get used to being around people who are younger or older or, or, you know, whatever it is, you know. I don't know, I think it's just good life experience. Leilei: I feel like it's good exposure. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You know what I mean? Teddy: Totally. Leilei: Especially coming out of a more, I want to say like high school and like down Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Is kind of like where it's a very specific age group that you're surrounded by. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: But then once you enter like university and up, it changes, it varies. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You know, and that's, that's not a bad thing, it's a good thing. Teddy: Yeah, it's a good thing, yeah. I think more diversity in general, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Like is a good thing. And I feel like age is one of those aspects of diversity that's like kind of overlooked sometimes. Leilei: Yes. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Definitely for those transfer students. Teddy: Totally. Leilei: We hold a lot of non-traditional as well. Teddy: Yeah, Leilei: So, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Yeah, it's very common. Teddy: Yeah, totally. And it is, like it's, it's, you know. Yeah, like I said, like it's you're, you're, like get used to that because like always, I mean, no matter where you are, there's going to be age variance, there's going to be people who like, who have like a whole generation gap and like at least like we don't have that, you know what I mean? It's like a couple of years or whatever. But yeah, like sometimes, you know, like, you know, with jobs I've worked, like I've worked with people who are like several generations above me and it's like, you have to work, like you have to find, you know. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: It's not impossible, it's just different. Yeah. Teddy: Totally. Leilei: You know, it's something to get used to. Teddy: Totally. Leilei: Transitioning. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Yeah. Bringing it back. Okay. We're going to do another more lighthearted question. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: And then we'll come back up. Teddy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Leilei: So, being here at NAU, what's your favorite memory so far? Teddy: Ooh, my favorite memory. So I work at ASNAU, which for those of you who don't know is the Associated Students of Northern Arizona University. It's basically the student government. And I have so many great memories there. Like I, you know, for me, that was like a way to get a job, but it was also like, especially during COVID, that was like the community that I had. Leilei: Yeah! Teddy: And you know, now that's kind of the community that I have, so it's very, yeah, I have a lot of great memories there. Like, it's hard to even pick one, honestly. Like I think for me, a memory that I, just comes to mind immediately is when I first started, I started out as videographer because that was my major at the time. And I got the job videographer there at ASNAU. And I made a video that was kind of like an end-of-the-year wrap-up to like show at our final meeting. And like people started crying and stuff. And I was like, yeah, like I, I was like, I'm going to make this so emotional. And it like totally worked. Leilei: You did that, you did that on purpose. Teddy: Yeah, totally. I totally did and Leilei: I can feel the smirk. You're like, yeah, I went there. Teddy: I pulled it off. But it was like, yeah, I just, I feel like I, as I was making that video, it was like very, I was just a way to, for me to like reflect on kind of, you know, that year was tough because it was COVID obviously. But it was also like, I was able to like reflect on like, here are all these good things that I did too. And here are all these good people that I was around. And, and yeah, when I put that out and I saw the reactions of people, it was like, oh, they reciprocate that, you know. So that was really cool. Yeah. So it's just nice to know. Like I was like, yeah, I really feel that sense of community that I hadn't, you know, felt in a while. Leilei: Yeah, yeah. No, I love that for you. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: And I mean like, why would I do the same thing of being like, yeah, I want you guys to cry. I just, it's like you want them to feel something and obviously, your message was delivered, so. Teddy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Leilei: Great, right? Teddy: Right. It's like, I don't, yeah. Leilei: It's like. You got to word that carefully, you know. Teddy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like, I don't want to say it that way, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: But like, I was like, I want to make this really emotional. Let's leave it at that. Leilei: I want you to feel something. Teddy: Yeah, yeah. Leilei: Just like that. I feel like that's pretty good. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Okay. So what, we're going to just try to kind of focus around NAU right now. Teddy: Okay. Leilei: And what do you like about NAU campus or even just the environment in itself? Teddy:Yeah, NAU, I love that it's like, it's a pretty, it's funny. Everyone says it's a small campus and like coming from a community college, I'm like, this is not small, you know. Lele: Right, right. Teddy: Yeah. But it was, you know, for a university, it's fairly small and the class sizes tend to be fairly small. And that's a really nice thing when you're coming from a community college because it's not so overwhelming. Like for me, like, this is probably the biggest campus I could like, you know, do. Leilei: Adapt to, yeah. Teddy: Yeah, yeah. Like when I look at like, you know, like U of A or like any of these like other like big Arizona colleges. Leilei: It's different. Teddy: Yeah, yeah. It's like some of them are like span an entire city with all these different like things Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: And I'm like, I can't like, no, I can't do that. Leilei: No, I'm like that too. I'm kind of more comfortable with that kind of smaller Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Kind of community too. There was just, Teddy: Yeah Leilei: It was just like, that's kind of the vibe I was looking for. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: And to know that I had that option, great. Teddy: Yeah. Like you see a lot of familiar faces as you're just walking around. Like, you know, you, you, yeah, there is more of that feeling of community. Yeah, it's really nice. And there's so many like places to get involved with and little like, you know, clubs and obviously departments on, on campus and everything to get involved in. Yeah, and there's like all, you know, and it's all, it's nice that it's not so huge that like when you do get involved in things, it tends to be a bit of a smaller group. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: And so you can kind of connect with people more, which is nice. Leilei: Yeah, and it's a great thing that you talked about like programs and like Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Other like departments because that's like a perfect transition Teddy: Yeah! Leilei: To our next question. So what types of programs, departments, people have helped you throughout your transition? Teddy: Yeah, well, like I said like ASNAU was a big help for getting that kind of sense of community. Yeah, I feel like communities are really like a grounding thing, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Like in college and it's really nice to be able to just like, even though like when you're initially, like when you're new, like it's kind of scary to like put yourself out there and like, I don't know any of these people, you know, but like also no one knows anyone until they know. Leilei: Exactly. Teddy: So like, you know, so it's such a help in the long run. But yeah, like the advising, or the, oh gosh, I'm blanking on the word. Leilei: There's so many. Teddy: Yeah, I know. There's so many departments, so many acronyms. Leilei: If only they were just given like a list or something. Teddy: Yeah, right. The tutoring department, there you go. Okay, tutoring. Leilei: Oh, ASC. Teddy: Yes, ASC. Leilei: Academic Success Center Teddy: ASC, Academic Success Center has been a big help. You know, I've reached out to them. There's even been times where I'm like, like I'll just ask for like one meeting with someone or things like that and I've gotten, you know, I've gotten a lot of help there. I've gotten help from the Career Development. Leilei: Yeah Teddy: Yeah, like Career Development has been a big help. They have, on their website, they have like a thing where you can like submit your resume and like they like make like corrections and send it back, feedback, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Which is like a really cool thing. Yeah, even like the, I mean, the Transfer Department, like being assigned someone to like help me out in my first semester, like that feels so long ago now that I think about it. Yeah, no, that was a big help. Because, yeah, she just like gave me her number and was like, was like, just if you have questions, just ask. I'm like, okay, sure. Leilei: It's nice to have somebody that's willing to like totally help you right then and there. Teddy: Yeah, totally. Leilei: And like a student-to-student kind of thing too. Teddy: Totally. Leilei: It's nice. Teddy: Yeah, especially when you're first transitioning, Leilei: Yes. Teddy: Like it's a little bit like, yeah, it's nice to have people who are like, you know, on your level more, I guess. Leilei: Yeah, and I like, it's fun to like explore, but sometimes it's like, where do I start? You know, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: So they kind of help you like point you in that direction. Teddy: Totally, totally. It's nice to just have like somewhere to, like a direction. It's nice to have somewhere to go with some guidance. Leilei: Yeah, and you know, that's not only for like transfer mentors, that can just be for anyone, any other, Teddy: Totally. Leilei: Any like member of like programs, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: departments that we have here. Teddy: Yeah, even like advising, like Academic Advising, like even that it's maybe not, maybe it's not like peer advising, but it's still, there's so much like help I've gotten just from just emailing my advisor, you know, things like that. So there's just a lot of resources. And sometimes it's like, sometimes there's, there's so many, I mean, I couldn't even remember the names of all of them. Leilei: Yeah! Teddy: Like there's so many that it's like, it's almost not a matter of what should I like, where are these resources? More like, here's all of them, I have to like now dig through all Leilei: Yes, yes. Teddy: Of them and find, you know. So yeah, it can be, that's like the challenge, I guess, is like, there's so much, I mean, that's a nice problem to have, Leilei: True, true! Teddy: There's so many, yeah, there's, there's a lot of resources. Yeah, and also I'll just throw this out there. Like you're, you're like, a lot of these resources are included in your tuition. Like it's not like, you know what I mean? It's not like free, like it's like, you already kind of paid for a little bit, you know? Leilei: Free. Teddy: Like if you, if you use these resources to like the maximum potential that they have, it's like you, like you're getting your money's worth, and then, you know what I mean? Like most people don't ever use them and then they just have all these resources, you know? Leilei: Exactly. Teddy: So take advantage of it. Yeah. Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Really nice. Okay. So I think I'm wanting to kind of just like wrap it up a bit. Teddy: Sure. Leilei: I like, we can totally go for hours. Teddy: Totally, yeah. Leilei: I would totally be down. Like you're so, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You're so good to talk to, honestly. Teddy: Yeah, likewise. Leilei: We can just talk about anything. Teddy: Yeah, why not? Leilei: I love that. But what is it? So I think something that I really want to end with is, you know, what do you wish people to understand about your transfer experience or just transfer experience in general? What do you wish for people to understand about that? Teddy: I guess that I think just, just, you know, it's, I feel like even like transfers kind of understand this, but a lot of people who are, are not transfer students, like just coming from high school, like don't really understand the transfer experience very well. And I'd say like, you know, like this podcast or like transfer like resources in general, like are very helpful for transfer students. But also I'd say even if you're not a transfer student, like it's worth like getting this perspective, Leilei: Exactly. Teddy: Because there's so many transfer students, like all over campus and all different departments, different areas, and there's so many different experiences. And I think it's just, I think if more people understood what it's like to be a transfer student. I feel like that would kind of help the transition a little bit, because sometimes as transfer students, like, especially towards the beginning, it feels like a little like sometimes especially like even just things like the wording of certain like promotional materials for NAU or things like that like it always kind of feels like it's a little bit geared towards just, you know, the traditional route Leilei: Yes. Teddy: More than transfer students. Leilei: I mean, technically, we still fit in as first years, because it's our first year here. Teddy: Right. Leilei: But it tends to be focused on freshmen students. Teddy: Right. Leilei: And I feel like that's just not knowing just how much it can affect us as a community. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: You know? Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: But that's what I really love about this Transfer Jacks Program is we're really trying to advocate more for you guys, Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: To really like give you guys that spotlight, you know? Teddy: Yeah. And you know, the other thing is like, it's not even just transfer students like there's also like international students, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: Who are like, I'd say that's even probably even more of like, Leilei: Yeah. Teddy: The culture shock. And, you know, so there's all kinds of different people from different backgrounds. And I think that's something that's so great about university, in general, is that you get so many, different people. I think it's especially nice with a place like NAU where it's, you know, some colleges tend to have more of like one specific demographic, like especially if it's like a very expensive college or you know what I mean? Leilei: Yeah, Teddy: Whereas with, with like NAU, like it's more diverse, like definitely my I'd say my community colleges like overall had more different backgrounds and things, but like, but like for a university, there's plenty of diversity, just plenty of different people from different backgrounds. And so it's like, you know, I think just immersing yourself in that is, you know, such a cool thing. So yeah. Leilei: Yeah. And I think that also has to do with like the opportunities that are there that the schools Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Offer as well, you know? Teddy: Totally. Leilei: I'm glad that you feel that way towards NAU and that Teddy: Totally. Leilei: They did that for you. Teddy: Totally. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Leilei: Sweet. Teddy: It was a good choice. Leilei: Yeah, me too, me too. Teddy: Yeah. Leilei: Yeah, yeah. That makes both of us. Well, so thank you, Teddy, for joining us today. Teddy: Of course. Leilei: We really appreciate you coming in and sharing your experience with us. Teddy: Yeah, thank you for having me. Leilei: Of course.