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I'm always around the world
everywhere else.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We have a tracking device on you,
so we know.

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Exactly.

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That's exactly what it is.

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But is something. It's.

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I sewed it into those underwear
I found at the OAG.

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Sorry.

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Back.

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Welcome to.

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Did You Know? Unearthing Urban Creatives
the Round Table Sessions for this, season.

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And today we're excited to have,

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Mique Michelle on the did
you know earthing urban podcast.

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Whatever.

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I'm just going to go with that 
Originally from West Nipissing

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And a proud Franco-Ontarian 
Yeah, perfect.

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Well said.

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Mique graffiti has touch corners
of the globe through her art.

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She addresses the challenges faced
by both visible and invisible minorities

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using murals to promote equality
and combat discrimination.

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Mique believes that hip hop's elements,
including murals,

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can be powerful tools
in the fight against injustice.

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Mique welcome.

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Thank you.

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We're eager to explore
your artistic journey

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and the impactful messages
you share through your work.

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Hola!

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I got through that.

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So anyway.

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Oh, no, I get to say,

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You're Franco-Ontarian.

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Yeah. Very proud.

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Your heritage plays
a big role in your work.

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How do you use, like.

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Or how do you see language and cultural
identity reflected in your murals?

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You create?

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Well, it's the basic reason
that hip hop exists is to preserve a lot

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of those traditions, cultures and language
that were either deemed illegal

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or were seen as a mental health issue
or seen as something,

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that's not even existed
or shouldn't be addressed, which is false.

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And throughout the four mediums

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or elements of hip hop,
we're able to preserve it, address it.

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And it's also just for the people.

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By the people.

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Saved my butt, kept me out of jail anyway.

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That's not for.

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Maybe later.

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We'll see.

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We'll see. Yeah.

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How did you know?

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Yeah.

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Like, yo, I'm like,
you know, a lot of people.

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Criminal.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And they're like, yeah, it's
because you're tattoos.

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That's why you did a lot of jail, right?

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Oh, I'm like, oh, okay.

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The stigma is there.

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Wow. Yeah.

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Yeah. Wow.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I would have had.

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No, no. Yeah.

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So I got a question for class one. Oh.

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So, you've been a major figure in graffiti

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and murals across the world, but,
let's take it back.

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All the way back.

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Took us what?

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First drew you to this form of expression?

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I didn't even think.

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Like, when people say art or expression,
I'm like, oh, I've heard of that.

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Like,

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I thought it was

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just more
the only tools that were really accessible

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or that were the safest to ask for rise
or to be seen or to.

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Especially like I didn't necessarily
think that whatever graffiti

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I was doing up north was going to end up,
you know, being a career or whatnot.

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Yeah.

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But working with certain communities
in France

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and now and seeing how they used it, 
especially

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in front of the European Parliament,
in 2005 and 2006.

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And seeing how you unite
and when you, you know,

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you're not alone with that message.

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And as soon as someone gave me
a can of spray paint, well,

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the monster was, you know, ha ha ha ha.

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Yeah.

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But I'm like,

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I still a good a good monster art class.

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I think of, like, you know, painting
macaroni and making a necklace out of it.

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Yeah.

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What's your feelings like?

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What is so quick? I still do that.

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Just.

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And, you know, but I definitely think
that under the umbrella of arts,

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the amount of things we can do

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when we actually, like, step back
and look at the bigger picture.

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Yeah. Especially with the pendant maker.

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Might not be the piece, but just who
you could bring into the community

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to have those conversations.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Oh not I can't read that right.

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So you've, spoken about breaking
negative stereotypes around graffiti.

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What are the some, some of the biggest
misconceptions people still have?

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And I think the obviously the tattoo one

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is that it's a little bit
I mean, that's kind of like that.

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Yeah. It's tons.

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Yeah. Well, our walls are more protected.

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Yeah.

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You've said that before, and it's still.

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And I know it again. I know our laws.

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And we're
not going to talk about your face

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because he's been talked about too much,

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but it's one of the first thing he sheds
like, oh, I key to my friggin party.

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It's too cold.

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But all the graffiti should be gone.

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Yeah. Because,
you know, it's telling you. Yeah.

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What you're missing.
Yeah, it's telling you.

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It's reminding you of the people
that you're not taking care of.

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The first time you were elected,
what was the number one song?

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DNA by Kendrick Lamar.

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And it got a Pulitzer Prize. Why?

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Because we need a hip hop in moments
like this. Yeah.

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I won't be surprised if in the next month,
everything on the charts right now,

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our number one songs about what we need
and what's missing.

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Yeah,
reminding us of the lack of humanity.

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But, yeah,
especially the biggest misconception,

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is how we're more protected
than the walls.

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Like, even in Ottawa. It's ridiculous.

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The laws.

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It's so hard to paint a wall, but
it's easy to beat the shit out of a woman.

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Yeah. Like so dumb. Yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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Even the fact of when you actually
have talked about going to paint

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a wall, you're like, I need a, like a
like a letter of permission.

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So, you know, you're protected
when you're painting a wall.

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Difficult.

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But no, I'm like you,
but that's a safety measure, which is like

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when the first time you said that to me,
I was

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I was a little shocked
that you felt that you needed that.

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But you do, obviously. Yeah.

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And it's it's

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sucks, like there's
so many beautiful parts about this,

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but this is what we're treating right now,
and we do need to talk about it.

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Yeah.

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But, just this summer,
I was painting a musty office

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in an abandoned parking lot, and I started
painting the fish within half an hour.

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Eight cruisers on. Wow.

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And it was to a point, a De Villiers
across the street were like, yo van.

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Like the the owner of Partners in North
Me was like, sir, drug boss.

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Like, what's going on?

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I'm like, no, they just think like, yo,
we see stuff go down

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at the other side of the parking lot
and the cops never show.

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But the second you started painting,
they're here all the time. Wow.

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And so she came and checked up on me.

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Just because in the cameras, in her
syringes, you could see

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we had to put up tables in the barrier
so I could actually finish the wall.

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And let me tell you, when, like,

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stuff like that happens
and you're always being questioned

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and that harassment and, like,
turning your back. Yeah.

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You don't really feel like painting for
a few little muskies and all the plates.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Absolutely.
My day of work and I'm lucky that was.

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That's it. That it was. Yeah.

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And it's not like that for everybody.
Yeah.

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That's what we saw in Bogota.

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That's
why graffiti is part of that conversation.

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Yeah.

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You could speak about that with LaDonna
if you want to.

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Or like even how Wynwood started.

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And now it's all commercialized.

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You got to pay to go see them
girls. No, no.

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Miami at. Would you?

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I know, but now I'm like,
I wonder if the artists get any of that.

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Probably not.

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We should look into that.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Anybody? Wow.

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Yeah. It's gross. Oh.

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So. Yeah. Hi.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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No. But,

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and to be honest, this,
I mean, a lot of people like,

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a lot of people follow him about it,
who's always like, something

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it's males because we're women and blah,
blah, blah.

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I was like, do you,

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do you honestly think or like, 
tired of seeing her birds or not?

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You know what?

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You know, that's going to make me stop
painting and open a beer and sit down.

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All this discrimination.

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Yeah, eliminate all of that.

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So we are more protected than our walls.

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I'll stop it. Yeah.

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Promise? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The cats like.

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Yeah. I don't think that's going to happen
any time soon.

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No, no, but we want you to keep painting
anyway, so

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we'll make sure behind
the scenes we're starting shed just. Oh

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today is that. But

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we'll make
sure we put a beef in there for that one.

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Okay.

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Oh, man.

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Bars where we could see Kylie in Buffalo
like our Simpsons in France.

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Resources. And it the same.

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Speaking of, just this is not
this is not even on there,

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but this is something that
I totally forgot that I wanted to address.

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And, yeah, the Mique versus Meek,

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I thought is was Meek all the time.

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That's what I've been saying. It's Mique.

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So let's everybody remember that
this is not an meek person.

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So this is Mique.

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Yes, that's you know

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and it's something that I
oh from the beginning just came out right.

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And I was like listen everyone's saying it
both ways.

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I need to know. But I heard you say it
in, in interviews.

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It's a
yeah like, yeah, yeah I know, I know,

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I know the first one
after I called in the show.

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Oh, that's the worst. Don't do that one.

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I guess.

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You know what this is.

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This is a warning.

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Everybody listening to this, not Michelle.

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Color me if you have to.

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But don't you,
Misha will be like, number 20.

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And I'm like, no, the second I do that,
just like, oh, she had an attitude.

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Oh, it's wow.

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It's your name. Yeah.

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Especially when they're
looking straight at me on the line.

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Shout Michelle

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when you turn around and walk away.

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Oh yeah there's a lot of Michelle's about.

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Yeah yeah yeah
I'm glad I interjected that one

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because I would have been upset
if it wasn't so like

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the only person I was okay with saying it
is because he does it

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with like this grin on his face.

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And it's awesome.

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It's a pad book. Yeah.

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He says this, I mean, this one,
they liked it like almost eight years ago.

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And he's just like

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me. Yeah.

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Like what's up?

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This guy is so. Well, that's funny.

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And he's like, you know,
the last part of the Bible, I'm like, no.

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Oh, he's like,
the meek will inherit the earth.

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So I'm like, okay, what do you think?

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Yeah, fine. Yeah.

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That's amazing. Yeah.

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I mean, we could talk about name
all day, but.

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Yeah, I got a good name. Sorry.

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Meek. Oh,

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you want me?

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I have a few of those.

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Yeah,

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we'll be back. Actually,

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you probably feature
both visible and invisible minorities.

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Could you share how you ensure
these important stories and perspective

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remain at the heart of your art?

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And I was struck by a quote.

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Actually, I was, oh,

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this is back in September 2022
when you got yourself up on the neck.

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I'm pretty sure.

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Okay. The see? Yeah, I think so.

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I could be wrong,
but you still said as a graffiti artist,

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you can bring up a subject,
put it on a wall, and it stays there.

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As a reminder,
the conversation can continue,

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and the message is accessible to anyone,
no matter what language they speak.

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And, you know,
I thought that was really kind of cool.

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So maybe you can touch on that.
Yeah, well, that's something.

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We're guests in this culture,
I have guests, I have fair skin.

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I am from West Nipissing, and I think,

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when I talk about
when it's like elementary school, like,

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oh, when you go to the neighbor's house,
you get down the door open.

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The fridge is still a during the week.

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You know, my dad,
you know, you knock on the door, right?

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You wait till you're invited.

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You listen, you sit at the table.

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Well,
we know how to do that with our neighbors.

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Why are we not doing it
with other people's culture?

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And graffiti is that is that of people
of visible minorities and invisible.

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So I think as a guest in hip hop,

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I think the first thing you gotta do
is sit down at the table,

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first of all, bring something,
you know, don't show up with empty hands.

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Listen and step back in.

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The second graffiti is not about or hip
hop for the people, by the people.

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Then it's a privilege of that culture.

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It's not actually the whole entire.

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It's the essence.

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Like dominant person are cool in that,
people of center town interview.

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Okay is the essence. Yeah.

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And it was in murals.

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We pace urban or whatever
you want to put it.

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It is part of it.

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It's a medium that people use,
you know, part of graffiti.

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But graffiti is really the culture.

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Yeah.
And I think the second you forget that,

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you've lost the privilege of

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listening
to all these and documenting and.

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Yeah, that's just what I think.

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You know, just the girl painting walls,

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as if you're being that meek.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh. Oh.

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The roundtable sessions.

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You created a piece on upcycle,

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a community art table
that we talked about.

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And I'll cut the clips of that
and stuff like that.

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And I know you said, when we were

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when you were painting
that round sounds quite a bit.

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And that something like that,
it kind of piqued my interest.

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And so how do you think, like
working on a circular talent?

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Canvas basically challenges
you or in spouse, your creative process,

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like, because, you know, most canvases
are square or rectangle, stuff like that.

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Well, I think I'm
very fortunate where I don't listen

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much to people like, oh,
yeah, it's just paint here on the wall.

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Yeah.

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This rectangle, I'm like, dude,
yeah, well, it's hard to photograph.

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Is that so that you have to be
in the space to actually live it?

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We talking about Butler's birds here?

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Oh yeah.

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I see,

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I just want to see there. But that's all.

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I mean, people will know what
we're talking about eventually, but.

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Yeah. Sorry.

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Yeah, that means there is no birds with.

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But, you know, for some reason,

00:14:05:08 - 00:14:07:22
I think it's just you run out of room.

00:14:07:22 - 00:14:10:15
I think you start with the head, maybe,
and then you move down and you.

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But then you run out of room
with the birds.

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I don't know, 
or maybe you just don't like their butts.

00:14:14:15 - 00:14:17:03
I don't know,
I think it's just interesting.

00:14:17:03 - 00:14:18:00
You're just.

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Oh, I'm traumatized by their body.

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Begin shooting down their dishes.

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Oh, gross.

00:14:24:19 - 00:14:26:15
Yeah.

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Where are you taking a step before this?

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I don't even know anymore.
Sorry. You go back to your.

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Oh, yeah. For so many reasons.

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Actually, I find it super interesting,

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talking about cultural appropriation
and stuff like that.

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Alexander V

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when I went to his opening and
there was someone speaking on his behalf

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and he was there, and just like
all the circles in this culture,

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and then he's just kind of like,
yeah, like circles, man.

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Like you spent 18 years being taught
that his cultures traditions are bad

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and then impose
all those traditions on him.

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Yeah. When he was like,
there's obviously signs of Kandinsky.

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There's a lot that he does.

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Yeah. He can't even encompass with Alex.

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Did. And unfortunately, he's
no longer with us.

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But yeah, he's a lot of circles.

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But for this one, it was more,

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I saw a little real

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online of this girl, this lady
who was like nine years old.

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Yeah.

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And like repainted on all of her
neighbors house.

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Oh cool. Like white stucco
and painted blue.

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Well it was all flowers and circles
around the windows and stuff.

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I just have and imagine still being that.

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Yeah that.

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Yeah.

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Like this is,
this is how badass she is now.

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Nice to know what she did. Yeah, yeah.

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Or maybe she waited her whole life to then
be that.

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Who knows? No, she has a history.

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Yeah.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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Just stuff like that. Yeah.

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And also learning.

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It's a good practice to learn
how to fill up the space for compositions.

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Yeah.

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With murals, you gotta make sure it reads
well, it's their responsibility.

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Yeah, I think we can go back to even,
like, on our building for describe year

00:16:03:14 - 00:16:06:13
one. Yeah. Messaging you and be like, hey,

00:16:07:12 - 00:16:10:12
we're doing black and white hates.

00:16:10:22 - 00:16:13:09
You're the only person
that I actually went into a panic before

00:16:13:09 - 00:16:16:09
I was like, we don't know her that
well to ask her to do black and white.

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Dewey,
just you held your hands in there like,

00:16:20:22 - 00:16:25:08
hey, I think you said it,
but I was like, that didn't register.

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Yeah. Know.

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You were like,
okay, it can't be black and white.

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I'm like, okay, that's cool.

00:16:28:23 - 00:16:31:15
For other people.

00:16:31:15 - 00:16:34:00
You're like,
but I get to do my own thing, right?

00:16:34:00 - 00:16:35:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:35:14 - 00:16:36:23
Part was, yeah.

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Like, that was so dumb of me
and I'm not want to say like to use that

00:16:40:20 - 00:16:46:02
word dumb,
but I try to sneak by a can from you guys.

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That was the best part.

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Was in an email. Yeah.

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Forgetting
that you're going to open the box.

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No. Yeah, we open it in a video too.

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We did a reel and all of a sudden
there was like all this black and white,

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and there was this one, like, like,
was it teal?

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What was that?

00:17:02:08 - 00:17:04:02
There you go, there we go.

00:17:04:02 - 00:17:05:14
Which is really nice because like,

00:17:05:14 - 00:17:08:16
even when mimic did his piece
beside yours, he used the same.

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The same color of the eyes too.
So that was really nice.

00:17:10:21 - 00:17:13:07
I love that I would,
I wish it could have been just like

00:17:13:07 - 00:17:18:04
hearing that giggle and having like yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it was amazing.

00:17:18:05 - 00:17:21:12
But at the same time, like, and thank you
for just letting us be who we are.

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Yeah.

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You're talking to people
that we're told not to paint on walls and.

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Yeah. Out of it. Yeah.

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Let's see. It's true.

00:17:29:12 - 00:17:31:13
Yeah. Like tell us not to you.

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That's
kind of how we are though as people.

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It's like people are like,
can we put this in the wall?

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We're like,
yeah, we rarely say no around here.

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So I think it's about giving
that opportunity.

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You have the beautiful building you have.

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Yeah.

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That is because you're like,
let's see what you do.

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Yeah. Well we're not giving you
restraints. Yeah.

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An explorer right.

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Yeah. I think that's even people
coming into the space.

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I think that's what,

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you know, doodle on the stools,
do things and, and just be part of it.

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And people worry about doing stuff.

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Like, one lady came in here one day

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and she's like,
I just learned how to make a star.

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And I was like, we'll put it up there
on the thing wherever we go.

00:18:03:14 - 00:18:04:09
I don't want to mess it up.

00:18:04:09 - 00:18:07:05
I was like, who cares? Like,
nobody's going to know it's you.

00:18:07:05 - 00:18:09:01
Exactly. Yeah.

00:18:09:01 - 00:18:11:00
And who's going to know it's you, right?

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Or even just disrupt your one?

00:18:12:21 - 00:18:15:21
There was a few newer artists
I've never painted on walls,

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and one was like,
what if I make a mistake of, like, what?

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Paint over it?

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And we saw that today
when you were working on that piece, like,

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you legit painted like a good chunk
and then all of a sudden

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you just covered over it, you know?

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And that was interesting
to see that kind of process

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where you're like,
this isn't really what I'm doing.

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And you didn't worry about that.

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You just kept painting, right?

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You didn't focus on what you didn't want.

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You just focus on what you did.

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As long as
and I it in French all the time,

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and I don't believe it is an English word
that I've learned yet.

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But also it's similar
to saying they're okay.

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Yeah, but it has more of a like,
go get it, right?

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Yeah. In there. Yeah.

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And with graffiti as well.

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Like, as long as you got
some to say there's tools.

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Yeah.

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So to feed on that quote
you found as well.

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Yeah. Yeah.
As long as you got something to say.

00:19:01:21 - 00:19:03:08
Other tools for you. Yeah. Like.

00:19:03:08 - 00:19:05:14
And I hate using him as an example, but.

00:19:05:14 - 00:19:07:01
Oh, it's such a good example.

00:19:07:01 - 00:19:08:23
I knew who you were
going to say so to the B.

00:19:11:06 - 00:19:13:21
Well, this
is the second time that I've interviewed.

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I know

00:19:15:14 - 00:19:18:14
maybe there's a secret crush
that who knows?

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Painting bubble letters, doing everything

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and just being, like, totally ruined over
because this stuff didn't stick.

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It didn't say him,
but the second he pulled out a stencil

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and we saw what he was capable of,
it was like, well, yeah,

00:19:35:03 - 00:19:38:03
you know, money got through his head
and he rotted. But.

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He's got it on the show, but bring it

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to work.

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Could you imagine he reaches out now.

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That would be weird.

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I say that, you know,
I don't know, in New Orleans.

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Yeah. There's a shelter.

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And this is after Katrina.

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There is a shelter
that just got hit really hard.

00:20:02:23 - 00:20:06:11
And its washrooms
and whatnot are totally condemned.

00:20:07:05 - 00:20:10:19
But they cannot get remodeled
because there's a heritage piece

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on the side of a building by.

00:20:13:09 - 00:20:15:07
No. Yeah.

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And it's covered with a plexiglass.

00:20:16:22 - 00:20:19:08
You could talk to Veronica. Wow.

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I called her for backup. Wow. So angry.

00:20:22:08 - 00:20:24:03
And. Yeah.

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And it's just knowing your place, like

00:20:27:01 - 00:20:29:02
she. If you're going to want to help.

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Yeah.

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Then go get artists that are from there
so they could

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talk about their story about,
you know, their own backyards in an RV,

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not about you putting that
same little girl with the umbrella there

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with an umbrella after a hurricane. Do.

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Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I'm just.

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And this is one example,
like what he did in Palestine

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his first time 20 years ago, Absolutely.

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What he did not too long ago,
taking up space and going over,

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the woman crew
who had already put their lives on,

00:21:00:09 - 00:21:04:12
taking attention instead of if I was him,
if I had that same,

00:21:04:23 - 00:21:07:23
I would have friggin painted hands
pointing at their work.

00:21:08:02 - 00:21:09:16
Yeah, my social media.

00:21:09:16 - 00:21:09:23
Yeah.

00:21:09:23 - 00:21:12:20
Like, this is the only art
you should be talking about, right?

00:21:12:20 - 00:21:13:02
Yeah.

00:21:14:03 - 00:21:16:14
Maybe he'll hear this and he'll change.

00:21:16:14 - 00:21:19:11
Maybe this will be
the start of the change.

00:21:19:11 - 00:21:22:01
I believe

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it's just

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what I would do and rebuild it.

00:21:26:07 - 00:21:28:10
Yeah, yeah.

00:21:28:10 - 00:21:30:21
So it's like, oh, jeez,

00:21:30:21 - 00:21:33:21
I don't even know where I am.

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Blue dots.

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Can you walk us through your process?

00:21:39:02 - 00:21:42:05
How do you approach a new mural or piece
and what influences

00:21:42:05 - 00:21:45:12
your color choices,
symbols, and overall composition?

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Yeah.

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I know it's like so many people
ask me that process.

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Like, I have this big secret recipe.

00:21:52:21 - 00:21:55:21
You don't

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actually,

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I see, yeah,

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there's a lot of people with power
who could probably use this little secret.

00:22:01:09 - 00:22:04:09
It's called a listening.

00:22:06:08 - 00:22:07:17
Sitting down with the people.

00:22:07:17 - 00:22:08:06
Yeah.

00:22:08:06 - 00:22:11:11
Biggest privilege
I have is with because of a canvas paint.

00:22:12:03 - 00:22:16:06
People share where they're from, like,
what they're doing with me.

00:22:16:09 - 00:22:17:16
Yeah. That's so cool.

00:22:17:16 - 00:22:21:05
Yeah, it's really cool
that privilege is just, like, stupid.

00:22:21:07 - 00:22:22:18
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:22:18 - 00:22:24:17
Everybody's got it's
okay to paint for your story.

00:22:24:17 - 00:22:26:17
It's okay
to paint to make other people happy.

00:22:26:17 - 00:22:27:22
But this is my process.

00:22:27:22 - 00:22:29:13
This is how I go about it.

00:22:29:13 - 00:22:32:06
Like, the 100. Oh, no.

00:22:32:06 - 00:22:32:18
Montreal road.

00:22:32:18 - 00:22:36:03
Sorry. Said to the venue via one.

00:22:36:10 - 00:22:39:21
I share this story all the time,
but the Arctic char at first

00:22:39:21 - 00:22:44:13
when I painted it, I mean, Carl,
it was the colors of an Arctic char

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that my brother used to to work
on the farm on Arctic char from up north.

00:22:50:02 - 00:22:50:11
But it's

00:22:50:11 - 00:22:53:11
not the Arctic char you get in Nunavut.

00:22:53:14 - 00:22:56:02
Oh. Oh, I know it turned out. Yeah, yeah.

00:22:56:02 - 00:22:59:11
And then someone from the community
came up and told us.

00:22:59:11 - 00:23:01:20
Yo, you know,
your colors on the fish are wrong.

00:23:01:20 - 00:23:03:12
That's farmed fish.

00:23:03:12 - 00:23:04:11
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:04:11 - 00:23:07:11
And she brought me one. Yeah.

00:23:07:14 - 00:23:09:04
And because of that,
we could see the original.

00:23:09:04 - 00:23:11:06
And I tasted it.
You brought that soy sauce back.

00:23:11:06 - 00:23:12:14
Oh my gosh.

00:23:12:14 - 00:23:15:02
It was awesome. That's awesome.

00:23:15:02 - 00:23:17:20
And I get like some people,
their process is putting those headphones

00:23:17:20 - 00:23:21:12
and listening to their music and looking
just at the wall and taking your projector

00:23:21:12 - 00:23:24:02
and whatnot.
But man, come on, give yourself a chance.

00:23:24:02 - 00:23:26:17
Yeah, it's a learning opportunity
to listen to that.

00:23:26:17 - 00:23:28:01
Like, yeah, that fish.

00:23:29:07 - 00:23:31:18
I think that's the one thing about you
that's like

00:23:31:18 - 00:23:35:07
but besides all the other things,
but like the what are the things,

00:23:35:11 - 00:23:39:18
you know, but the one thing that
I really find as interesting is how much

00:23:39:18 - 00:23:43:10
research and education, how much you focus
on education on like learning.

00:23:43:10 - 00:23:44:14
Right. So you're always learning.

00:23:44:14 - 00:23:45:17
You're always reading something.

00:23:45:17 - 00:23:48:04
You're always trying to like.

00:23:48:04 - 00:23:51:07
But I think with everything that you do,
it's about that.

00:23:51:07 - 00:23:53:06
Right? It has to be. Yeah.

00:23:53:06 - 00:23:55:13
It's like the quote you use
and thank you for using that quote.

00:23:55:13 - 00:23:57:09
Like we're always complaining.

00:23:57:09 - 00:23:58:23
Yeah, well, it's not my fault I didn't.

00:23:58:23 - 00:24:01:05
Yeah yeah dude.

00:24:01:05 - 00:24:03:11
Sounds like the word I use.

00:24:03:11 - 00:24:05:23
Dude.

00:24:05:23 - 00:24:07:17
No, it's on a wall.

00:24:07:17 - 00:24:09:14
It's 150ft by 40ft.

00:24:09:14 - 00:24:09:21
Yeah.

00:24:09:21 - 00:24:11:08
You are justifying that.

00:24:11:08 - 00:24:13:09
You choose not to listen.

00:24:13:09 - 00:24:15:22
Yeah, you choose not to find out.

00:24:15:22 - 00:24:19:11
You choose to stay in your comfort zone
and in your privilege,

00:24:19:16 - 00:24:22:02
and you don't want to know the right
vocabulary.

00:24:22:02 - 00:24:22:17
Yeah.

00:24:22:17 - 00:24:23:09
And effort.

00:24:23:09 - 00:24:23:18
Yeah.

00:24:23:18 - 00:24:26:07
And you're showing me
exactly who you are. Yeah.

00:24:26:07 - 00:24:30:13
But for the other people, deaf people,
I finally we find ourselves in community

00:24:30:13 - 00:24:32:04
with. Yeah. Because of me.

00:24:32:04 - 00:24:33:20
Yeah. The questions.

00:24:33:20 - 00:24:35:14
Yes. Surround me with you.

00:24:35:14 - 00:24:38:09
Like around this round table
where we break bread.

00:24:38:09 - 00:24:38:16
Yeah.

00:24:38:16 - 00:24:41:05
Like with the fish,
with all the colors, with the coffee.

00:24:41:05 - 00:24:42:00
Like. Yeah.

00:24:42:00 - 00:24:43:13
Yes. That's my community.

00:24:43:13 - 00:24:44:16
Yeah. I want to be part of.

00:24:44:16 - 00:24:47:03
Yeah. And it's helping one
another too. Right.

00:24:47:03 - 00:24:51:07
There's a lot of times that I've thought
certain things and you've been like, hey,

00:24:51:09 - 00:24:53:12
no, it should be this way or something.

00:24:53:12 - 00:24:54:08
I'm like, what?

00:24:54:08 - 00:24:55:18
I'm like, okay, but it's cool, right?

00:24:55:18 - 00:24:58:07
And I think it's good to actually share
that information and listen.

00:24:58:07 - 00:25:01:03
And like you said, listen. Yeah, yeah,
we hang out.

00:25:01:03 - 00:25:05:12
I think every time I leave here
and I'm like, whoa, my wheels turn.

00:25:05:12 - 00:25:08:01
So much like, yeah.

00:25:08:01 - 00:25:12:04
So yeah, there's so many ideas
that we could go with.

00:25:12:05 - 00:25:14:21
Yeah,
there's so many potential. And I find

00:25:16:05 - 00:25:16:23
that finding that

00:25:16:23 - 00:25:20:00
community or that space that unites.

00:25:20:03 - 00:25:20:17
Yeah.

00:25:20:17 - 00:25:26:04
Whether it's a global graffiti community,
like hip hop graffiti community.

00:25:26:04 - 00:25:28:20
Yeah.
Or whether it's an urban art collective.

00:25:28:20 - 00:25:30:20
Yeah. Like find it. Yeah.

00:25:30:20 - 00:25:32:03
Find your people. Right.

00:25:32:03 - 00:25:35:03
And work to build that too,
because there's a lot of people that.

00:25:35:03 - 00:25:38:03
Yeah, yeah, I have to cut out people off.

00:25:38:13 - 00:25:39:11
Yeah.

00:25:39:11 - 00:25:42:00
We were talking about that
tonight over dinner just about the hustle.

00:25:42:00 - 00:25:46:08
And I think that's interesting because
I see you hustle, Jay sees you hustle.

00:25:46:08 - 00:25:50:10
And anybody that does
and we hustle like but asses today.

00:25:50:22 - 00:25:54:06
Well not tomorrow but all week
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:25:54:16 - 00:25:57:04
But I think that's something
that like it's really relatable.

00:25:57:04 - 00:25:58:00
And it's, it's fun

00:25:58:00 - 00:26:02:02
to see in anybody that doesn't think
you deserve anything that you have is

00:26:03:06 - 00:26:04:06
clueless.

00:26:04:06 - 00:26:04:14
Right.

00:26:04:14 - 00:26:07:15
Because like you hustle
and you deserve it for that reason.

00:26:07:15 - 00:26:10:12
So not because you're a woman or whatnot.
It's. Yeah.

00:26:10:12 - 00:26:12:21
So I think it's important
that people understand that

00:26:12:21 - 00:26:14:18
you can't just expect things to happen.

00:26:14:18 - 00:26:16:07
You have to you have to work towards me.

00:26:16:07 - 00:26:19:01
You have to build them out. Yeah.

00:26:19:01 - 00:26:20:10
Like I don't take no for an answer.

00:26:20:10 - 00:26:22:12
Just so everybody knows.

00:26:22:12 - 00:26:24:03
I said that to our city counselor one day.

00:26:24:03 - 00:26:27:04
We were trying to get something for the
neighborhood, for the beer, for the beer?

00:26:27:17 - 00:26:28:08
I'm just kidding.

00:26:28:08 - 00:26:32:04
And I was like, you know,
I don't take no for an answer, right?

00:26:32:04 - 00:26:32:12
And I

00:26:32:12 - 00:26:35:19
don't not about something that I believe
is something that we should be doing.

00:26:35:19 - 00:26:37:15
And that's the change
that needs to happen.

00:26:37:15 - 00:26:40:15
Like,
I don't think we should be taking those, a

00:26:40:18 - 00:26:43:19
and yes, it's just like
how to work towards that formation.

00:26:44:06 - 00:26:47:23
How do we build it or sculpted better.

00:26:48:00 - 00:26:50:15
Yeah. So that it fits your objective.
Absolutely.

00:26:50:15 - 00:26:54:01
That you can't say yeah,
it needs to make sense.

00:26:54:01 - 00:26:55:20
Absolutely. Yeah.

00:26:55:20 - 00:26:56:02
Yeah.

00:26:56:02 - 00:26:59:16
And like I understand that maybe back
in the time there was a time

00:26:59:16 - 00:27:03:10
for rules and regulations
that everything had to be like,

00:27:03:16 - 00:27:07:15
not on the walls or whatever, but,
this is not like.

00:27:07:15 - 00:27:11:10
No, especially if you're looking
you want to talk about, being better

00:27:11:11 - 00:27:14:11
in a different country or you want to use
that as your platform all the time.

00:27:14:12 - 00:27:14:22
Yeah.

00:27:14:22 - 00:27:18:05
Don't go in having a war against people
who are trying.

00:27:18:10 - 00:27:18:19
Yeah.

00:27:18:19 - 00:27:23:13
To like, feed exactly what you're saying
to help you with your objectives.

00:27:23:16 - 00:27:23:22
Yeah.

00:27:23:22 - 00:27:27:15
I still today holding a can of spray
paint in Chicago is illegal, but.

00:27:28:04 - 00:27:30:16
Yeah. Yeah, from that one on. Yeah.

00:27:32:19 - 00:27:35:21
They think wow, wow.

00:27:36:03 - 00:27:36:21
But yeah.

00:27:36:21 - 00:27:39:12
And it's just things like that
because people are so scared again.

00:27:39:12 - 00:27:40:17
So that truth or or not.

00:27:40:17 - 00:27:41:13
So yeah.

00:27:41:13 - 00:27:43:21
When you're complaining about
like not getting every wallet

00:27:43:21 - 00:27:46:21
would not recognize your privilege
of being able to paint.

00:27:47:02 - 00:27:47:16
Yeah.

00:27:47:16 - 00:27:50:16
Saying our community completely sucks.
Yeah.

00:27:50:18 - 00:27:55:05
Like look at what gets no one's doing wood
for 18km of legal walls.

00:27:55:06 - 00:27:58:06
Yeah. Celebrate that. Feed the community.

00:27:58:11 - 00:28:00:17
Yeah, yeah. Back into it.

00:28:00:17 - 00:28:04:00
For those who were complaining
about House of pain or about other things

00:28:04:00 - 00:28:07:01
not happening, like what
have you organized, what have you.

00:28:07:01 - 00:28:07:23
Yeah.

00:28:07:23 - 00:28:09:23
So much goes behind that. You're right.

00:28:09:23 - 00:28:11:06
Yeah, yeah.

00:28:11:06 - 00:28:15:21
So that's why I like the emails
I get still or like messages like you can

00:28:16:03 - 00:28:21:00
I was like, dude, I was hired for a month
for like, yes, many years in a row,

00:28:21:04 - 00:28:22:23
but it's a month. Yeah.

00:28:22:23 - 00:28:24:21
Like you can't put this on.

00:28:24:21 - 00:28:27:04
Yeah. Step away. Yeah.

00:28:29:01 - 00:28:31:00
But I don't think
people see the behind the scenes hustle.

00:28:31:00 - 00:28:31:20
Right. Once again.

00:28:31:20 - 00:28:36:16
So yeah, I'm excited to see what happens
when you show like that perk.

00:28:36:21 - 00:28:38:09
Yeah. Talking about that.

00:28:38:09 - 00:28:38:18
Yeah.

00:28:38:18 - 00:28:40:18
Maybe they'll recognize it
and they're just

00:28:40:18 - 00:28:43:18
oh I can't
wait to tell everybody about the hustle.

00:28:44:20 - 00:28:47:20
It it's like the hustle.

00:28:48:11 - 00:28:51:11
Do even answer the question
I don't even know we were talking about.

00:28:51:20 - 00:28:54:20
Yeah,

00:28:59:03 - 00:29:01:21
cooler, the Nord Latina

00:29:01:21 - 00:29:05:22
color cooler, denoted
naught naught naught.

00:29:06:02 - 00:29:09:02
Yeah. I can't do it.

00:29:09:12 - 00:29:12:17
I'm going to practice, broad mural,

00:29:12:17 - 00:29:14:20
making it into the world of children's
education.

00:29:14:20 - 00:29:16:00
Why is it important for kids

00:29:16:00 - 00:29:19:07
to have access to street art and graffiti
as a creative, as creative tools?

00:29:19:21 - 00:29:22:23
I think a best way to talk about kids
now is thinking about,

00:29:23:11 - 00:29:24:22
you know, our favorite.

00:29:24:22 - 00:29:26:08
Do you want to tell people what that is?

00:29:26:08 - 00:29:27:20
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

00:29:27:20 - 00:29:29:17
Kids and graffiti. Yeah.

00:29:29:17 - 00:29:31:07
That's exactly what it is, is

00:29:32:08 - 00:29:34:20
putting in action
what I've been just preaching about.

00:29:34:20 - 00:29:35:04
Yeah.

00:29:35:04 - 00:29:38:23
I'm saying of, like, listening, of going
and being invited in a community.

00:29:38:23 - 00:29:42:14
Yeah. 
But too often I hear people are kids.

00:29:42:14 - 00:29:42:23
They don't know.

00:29:42:23 - 00:29:43:11
What do you want?

00:29:43:11 - 00:29:44:20
They're always on their phones.

00:29:44:20 - 00:29:46:14
Layers. Yeah.

00:29:46:14 - 00:29:50:09
And I think what has now proved
exactly that,

00:29:50:18 - 00:29:54:00
every topic we brought to the wall,
nothing went on.

00:29:54:00 - 00:29:57:21
If it wasn't brought to you by a youth
from that community.

00:29:57:23 - 00:29:58:08
Nice.

00:29:58:08 - 00:30:03:02
And whether she was mixed heritage
or whatnot, we did it in their language.

00:30:03:07 - 00:30:03:21
Yeah.

00:30:03:21 - 00:30:07:03
Their regionalism and,

00:30:07:12 - 00:30:12:04
yeah, being able to use this TV show,
this graffiti

00:30:12:10 - 00:30:15:10
to gift 20 murals to 20 communities,

00:30:15:18 - 00:30:19:00
during a pandemic, after and like,

00:30:19:22 - 00:30:22:03
while they're still trying to navigate
through all that.

00:30:22:03 - 00:30:23:17
Yeah, man, what a privilege.

00:30:23:17 - 00:30:25:15
Like, yeah. I'm lucky.

00:30:25:15 - 00:30:28:12
Yeah. Oh, it's amazing. Absolutely.

00:30:28:12 - 00:30:29:07
It's pretty cool.

00:30:29:07 - 00:30:31:18
And also,
since we're already on the podcast,

00:30:31:18 - 00:30:35:05
what's not available for nice one
to practice in French

00:30:35:17 - 00:30:36:21
and it's behind the scenes.

00:30:36:21 - 00:30:39:18
So yeah, it's no jokes all the times.

00:30:39:18 - 00:30:43:03
A paint in the rain
and the kids are to feed me ice cream.

00:30:43:03 - 00:30:45:10
And for me was local food.

00:30:45:10 - 00:30:47:11
Like not puffs or not from,

00:30:48:12 - 00:30:51:12
you know.

00:30:52:05 - 00:30:54:00
J like, can we go so serious.

00:30:54:00 - 00:30:56:23
You know I take

00:30:56:23 - 00:31:00:02
that you would purposely do outtakes
so I'd have to eat more.

00:31:00:03 - 00:31:02:21
Oh, and you could see the one it took
there.

00:31:02:21 - 00:31:05:17
I'm just kind of like
looking at the camera like I will keep go.

00:31:05:17 - 00:31:07:14
Oh, I don't care.

00:31:07:14 - 00:31:11:12
I'm not like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's really cool

00:31:11:12 - 00:31:13:06
that you have the opportunity
to actually do those things.

00:31:13:06 - 00:31:15:09
So like I mean it's like yeah.

00:31:15:09 - 00:31:17:00
Who created those opportunities?

00:31:17:00 - 00:31:22:02
They're a group that work with like
just the best programing ever.

00:31:22:05 - 00:31:22:18
Nice.

00:31:22:18 - 00:31:24:19
And just to say like they don't speak
French.

00:31:24:19 - 00:31:25:17
Okay.

00:31:25:17 - 00:31:27:13
Interesting. That's that's lovely.

00:31:27:13 - 00:31:29:21
Yeah. And producing TV show.

00:31:29:21 - 00:31:31:07
They were trusting what you said.

00:31:31:07 - 00:31:33:05
Scary. Scary.

00:31:33:05 - 00:31:35:06
Oh well that's say yeah.

00:31:36:07 - 00:31:37:09
Yeah absolutely.

00:31:37:09 - 00:31:39:20
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Nice.

00:31:39:20 - 00:31:41:08
Yeah I we'll put links to.

00:31:41:08 - 00:31:45:10
Yeah all that stuff on YouTube
and if it's on Spotify or wherever else.

00:31:45:21 - 00:31:46:23
Description.

00:31:46:23 - 00:31:48:21
So there you go. You're up next to it.

00:31:48:21 - 00:31:50:04
Yeah. Which is shocking.

00:31:50:04 - 00:31:53:04
I don't know how to talk this much.

00:31:53:12 - 00:31:56:11
So, your past exhibit
here at the urban Art

00:31:56:11 - 00:32:00:04
Collective Gallery,
was the ongoing education of abandonment.

00:32:00:10 - 00:32:02:22
Focus on education, space and loss.

00:32:02:22 - 00:32:05:13
What are you hoping
people take away from that series?

00:32:05:13 - 00:32:09:14
And I know that was something
that was very deep and dear to you and for

00:32:09:17 - 00:32:11:20
for many reasons, for all the reasons.

00:32:11:20 - 00:32:14:17
Yeah.

00:32:14:17 - 00:32:15:04
Oh, man.

00:32:15:04 - 00:32:17:01
What you want,
we want people to take back of

00:32:17:01 - 00:32:19:03
that is just to be vigilant
in your community.

00:32:19:03 - 00:32:19:10
Yeah.

00:32:19:10 - 00:32:23:07
It's so easy to just stay in our comfort
zone, in our routine,

00:32:23:18 - 00:32:27:21
to think like things are good
or it doesn't involve us, but, like, just

00:32:28:14 - 00:32:31:04
thank you for, like,
asking me how to say I'm going to have,

00:32:31:04 - 00:32:35:05
you know, because it's
we need everybody to help us.

00:32:35:05 - 00:32:36:04
Yeah.

00:32:36:04 - 00:32:39:04
Like, I don't know if, you know,
my dad wasn't able to go to high school

00:32:39:07 - 00:32:41:18
because it was only in English,
even though it was no.

00:32:41:18 - 00:32:44:15
Well being.
Franco-Ontarian was seen like a disease.

00:32:44:15 - 00:32:47:12
So he couldn't be hired in management
positions.

00:32:47:12 - 00:32:51:17
Well, but by the time I got to my mom,

00:32:52:12 - 00:32:55:22
we had people like Edgard Gordon,
who students at that time

00:32:56:08 - 00:33:00:18
sat in the hallways for two days straight,
knocking on the lockers.

00:33:00:18 - 00:33:02:18
Yeah, until they switched
the name of the high school.

00:33:02:18 - 00:33:03:20
And. Nice.

00:33:03:20 - 00:33:05:17
Nice because of the youth. Yeah.

00:33:05:17 - 00:33:06:18
Not because of adults.

00:33:06:18 - 00:33:09:18
Yeah, that we have,
but that's who we're relying on, right?

00:33:09:18 - 00:33:12:17
It's like fixing our mistakes, man.

00:33:12:17 - 00:33:14:07
I'm so sorry. Yeah.

00:33:14:07 - 00:33:15:11
Why do you want to work with them?

00:33:15:11 - 00:33:17:07
Well, first to say I'm sorry.

00:33:17:07 - 00:33:19:10
Yeah. We keep leaving you this mess.

00:33:19:10 - 00:33:20:10
Yeah. That's true.

00:33:20:10 - 00:33:23:06
Also, like, they've got the solutions.

00:33:23:06 - 00:33:25:04
Why not give them the micro? They can.

00:33:25:04 - 00:33:28:21
They're not, like, stifled by society
at that point too, right?

00:33:28:21 - 00:33:29:03
Like what

00:33:29:03 - 00:33:29:19
I always say. Like,

00:33:29:19 - 00:33:33:10
ageism is weird because children should
have more of a voice than they have.

00:33:33:17 - 00:33:38:21
But it's also like, we give this ageism
such weird constraints.

00:33:38:22 - 00:33:40:13
Like, yeah, too bad.

00:33:40:13 - 00:33:44:00
For example, they wrote all their lyrics
when they were like 16 or 17.

00:33:44:02 - 00:33:45:22
Yeah. Legends.

00:33:45:22 - 00:33:48:16
Oh, that's a community song done by youth.

00:33:48:16 - 00:33:50:00
Stupid community.

00:33:50:00 - 00:33:52:07
No, man.

00:33:52:07 - 00:33:55:06
Like,
what are you, like this double standard.

00:33:55:06 - 00:33:55:21
It's so stupid.

00:33:55:21 - 00:33:57:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:57:15 - 00:33:59:03
I take Abby to vote when I vote.

00:33:59:03 - 00:34:00:13
And I was like, she should vote too.

00:34:00:13 - 00:34:03:06
But you won't let her because of ageism.

00:34:03:06 - 00:34:04:01
But she.

00:34:04:01 - 00:34:05:00
She has a voice.

00:34:05:00 - 00:34:07:14
Abby is Mique’s manager, by the way.

00:34:07:14 - 00:34:08:14
But, like, seriously,

00:34:08:14 - 00:34:12:12
kids should have more of a chance
to basically contribute to society.

00:34:12:12 - 00:34:13:11
And they should be able to.

00:34:13:11 - 00:34:19:00
You should ask them questions
because they have lots of great ideas,

00:34:19:00 - 00:34:24:10
like the Franco-Ontarian mock parliament
for the use or basically,

00:34:24:13 - 00:34:28:09
or the conversation of getting our first
fake Ontario university started.

00:34:28:10 - 00:34:32:09
Well, and I'm happy to say that next week
I'm going to be

00:34:32:11 - 00:34:34:13
hosting a conference there.

00:34:34:13 - 00:34:38:23
Well, it physically exists
because I'm giving a chance to youth.

00:34:39:01 - 00:34:39:18
Yeah.

00:34:39:18 - 00:34:40:21
And culture. Tradition.

00:34:40:21 - 00:34:41:03
Yeah.

00:34:41:03 - 00:34:45:14
And activities like build a university
in Toronto because of it.

00:34:45:15 - 00:34:48:06
Yeah. People have access to education.

00:34:48:06 - 00:34:51:20
But for us by us in our language,
in our province. Yep.

00:34:51:23 - 00:34:53:22
We don't have to move from our community
no more.

00:34:53:22 - 00:34:56:10
Yeah. If I could have done that. Yeah.

00:34:56:10 - 00:34:57:21
More time with my family.

00:34:57:21 - 00:34:58:15
Yeah.

00:34:58:15 - 00:35:01:15
Less like, I don't think I would
quit school if I didn't have to leave my.

00:35:01:22 - 00:35:06:10
So it makes you disconnected to like
it pushes you into that, right?

00:35:06:12 - 00:35:07:16
Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:07:16 - 00:35:12:12
It's very dangerous to leave your family
to seek out education when it comes to.

00:35:12:19 - 00:35:14:07
Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:15:18 - 00:35:17:06
I don't know if it's still me.

00:35:17:06 - 00:35:18:09
Kids need to vote.

00:35:18:09 - 00:35:19:15
Kids need to vote. Kids need.

00:35:19:15 - 00:35:21:08
Yeah they need voices.

00:35:21:08 - 00:35:23:22
Oh we totally do this.

00:35:23:22 - 00:35:27:23
What I hear people say oh my God
can I share in the house and pay it.

00:35:28:09 - 00:35:29:02
Yeah.

00:35:29:02 - 00:35:33:16
So Crazy Legs came to Ottawa from like,
Rocksteady crew.

00:35:34:00 - 00:35:38:05
You know, it's the people kind of like
help create hip hop as we know it today.

00:35:38:12 - 00:35:42:10
And then boodle and they put me on a panel
with them on a panel.

00:35:42:14 - 00:35:45:11
Yeah. Okay. Youth. Oh, wow.

00:35:45:11 - 00:35:50:05
And one of them said,
the youth are always on their phone.

00:35:50:17 - 00:35:53:09
You know, you're organizing a festival.

00:35:53:09 - 00:35:55:07
You don't always got all your senses
because,

00:35:55:07 - 00:35:58:02
you know,
just let us face being used. Yeah.

00:35:58:02 - 00:36:01:19
So I was thinking about the scaffolding,
but then it clicked in my head

00:36:01:19 - 00:36:02:17
what he said.

00:36:02:17 - 00:36:03:15
So I got up.

00:36:03:15 - 00:36:06:00
I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:36:06:00 - 00:36:07:13
That's the stupidest thing.

00:36:08:19 - 00:36:11:19
And I went
on and I sounded like an angry Jersey guy.

00:36:12:02 - 00:36:15:02
And then I, like you can see it in my face
when it clicks like,

00:36:15:13 - 00:36:19:11
oh, I'm sorry, sir,
I mean, but like, Oh, God, what?

00:36:19:11 - 00:36:20:09
Did I just do it?

00:36:20:09 - 00:36:24:14
Veronica, listen for mean,
she's just like, oh, oh my gosh.

00:36:26:09 - 00:36:29:08
And I'm like, what did I just do? But.

00:36:29:16 - 00:36:33:02
And then I got to explain it like,
you know, we've created these devices

00:36:33:02 - 00:36:34:05
that they're stuck on.

00:36:34:05 - 00:36:36:17
Yeah. All the programs that they need to
use is on that.

00:36:36:17 - 00:36:38:06
Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:38:06 - 00:36:40:11
I just want to do that. Yeah.

00:36:40:11 - 00:36:44:02
So in mouse foot and mouth,
we've all done it.

00:36:44:08 - 00:36:47:04
We've all touch I'm sorry.

00:36:47:04 - 00:36:50:04
Taking all your time.

00:36:50:17 - 00:36:51:12
Of coming.

00:36:51:12 - 00:36:53:12
Yeah. Stuff to do.

00:36:53:12 - 00:36:55:06
What do you want to share.
What do you don't want to share?

00:36:55:06 - 00:36:57:07
Okay.
I don't know if I'm allowed to share this.

00:36:57:07 - 00:36:58:09
Oh, yeah.

00:36:58:09 - 00:37:01:22
So I'm, not a traitor,
but kind of like, you, Mr.

00:37:01:22 - 00:37:02:06
Chance.

00:37:04:02 - 00:37:06:00
This is interesting already,

00:37:06:00 - 00:37:09:04
so I'm going to be at the Franco
Canadian game.

00:37:09:13 - 00:37:14:07
Oh, that coach for social justice,
but not for Ontario.

00:37:14:07 - 00:37:17:07
Oh, wow.

00:37:19:00 - 00:37:22:00
Traitor.

00:37:22:03 - 00:37:23:13
That's amazing though.

00:37:23:13 - 00:37:26:19
Yeah, I'm excited because I don't know
if you know this, but, like,

00:37:27:07 - 00:37:30:19
the Acadians are also
just like the Franco-Ontarian,, okay?

00:37:30:23 - 00:37:33:22
They were like,
they got deported. Oh, wow.

00:37:33:22 - 00:37:35:08
But they got pushed out.

00:37:35:08 - 00:37:37:19
And then, you know, they got saved.

00:37:37:19 - 00:37:40:13
Six families, 1000 people on one island.

00:37:40:13 - 00:37:40:21
Yeah.

00:37:40:21 - 00:37:43:21
Island, like near Miramichi,

00:37:44:15 - 00:37:44:22
Yeah.

00:37:44:22 - 00:37:47:14
So I'm gonna go and listen
and learn about social justice.

00:37:47:14 - 00:37:48:03
Yeah.

00:37:48:03 - 00:37:51:21
The LGBT in all honesty,
what a lot of the LGBTQ

00:37:51:21 - 00:37:55:19
community went through
with the last representation,

00:37:55:19 - 00:37:56:23
where you had to out yourself

00:37:56:23 - 00:38:01:02
to your parents if you wanted a gender,
to be used in school was.

00:38:01:04 - 00:38:03:23
Oh, anyways, that this is gone.

00:38:03:23 - 00:38:05:12
Okay. Yeah, yeah.

00:38:05:12 - 00:38:08:03
Someone way better in place.

00:38:08:03 - 00:38:12:19
In the youth made a huge equity
love made a huge, impact on that.

00:38:13:15 - 00:38:16:15
So I'm really happy to be nice and.

00:38:16:20 - 00:38:19:01
Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's exciting.

00:38:19:01 - 00:38:19:18
That's in July.

00:38:19:18 - 00:38:22:23
But. Yeah, up until then, I'll be, 
roaming

00:38:22:23 - 00:38:26:04
around Ontario,
Nova Scotia, New Brunswick,

00:38:28:03 - 00:38:30:08
Minneapolis, Minneapolis,

00:38:30:08 - 00:38:33:23
always Minnesota, Minnesota
I love Minnesota

00:38:35:10 - 00:38:38:08
to Minnesota.

00:38:38:08 - 00:38:40:07
I'm not saying it right right now either.

00:38:40:07 - 00:38:43:05
It's only six hours south of Thunder Bay.

00:38:43:05 - 00:38:47:07
I know I played in the USA Cup
and in Minnesota, by the way.

00:38:48:01 - 00:38:48:08
Yeah.

00:38:48:08 - 00:38:50:18
And so I was in Minnesota in the US.

00:38:50:18 - 00:38:53:12
Take up a

00:38:53:12 - 00:38:54:17
so I know where Minnesota is.

00:38:54:17 - 00:38:56:18
I mean I was close to that when I grew up.

00:38:56:18 - 00:38:59:19
So so when you talk about a cup

00:38:59:19 - 00:39:02:18
is it milliliters or how

00:39:02:21 - 00:39:06:15
say I, I was playing in the cup.

00:39:07:06 - 00:39:09:12
Oh yeah.

00:39:09:12 - 00:39:12:12
This is definitely like the soccer cup.

00:39:13:08 - 00:39:14:05
You're funny.

00:39:14:05 - 00:39:15:12
Make the cup.

00:39:15:12 - 00:39:20:00
Honestly be that anything that you guys
create I would love to be a part of.

00:39:20:07 - 00:39:22:12
I'm always down.
It's always a yes from me.

00:39:22:12 - 00:39:24:07
Are we doing something?

00:39:24:07 - 00:39:25:23
Oh, yes. Always.

00:39:25:23 - 00:39:28:18
I'm like, I know I'm from down.

00:39:31:09 - 00:39:33:01
North as well.

00:39:33:01 - 00:39:35:23
I'll hopefully
you'll see me in a couple festivals. Yes.

00:39:35:23 - 00:39:38:23
I haven't painted something big in Ottawa
in such a long time.

00:39:39:19 - 00:39:40:21
So I'm just throwing it out.

00:39:40:21 - 00:39:42:12
Yeah. Let's throw it out there.

00:39:42:12 - 00:39:45:03
Let's find something
big available in July.

00:39:45:03 - 00:39:47:21
July. Big wall. Okay. Hamburg.

00:39:47:21 - 00:39:48:21
I have two weeks.

00:39:48:21 - 00:39:50:12
Send me the dates. Okay.

00:39:50:12 - 00:39:53:09
Send me any, like, walls
that you've seen before that you love.

00:39:53:09 - 00:39:53:15
Yeah.

00:39:53:15 - 00:39:57:11
And if you're wondering why you see
a big green 50, it's going around Ontario.

00:39:58:02 - 00:40:01:12
It's because it's going to be our 50th
anniversary for the Frank Ontario flag

00:40:01:12 - 00:40:02:13
this year. Nice.

00:40:02:13 - 00:40:06:05
If you want to learn about the history,
about discrimination, about

00:40:06:05 - 00:40:09:18
just why we celebrate
or just brush up on being a frank field.

00:40:09:20 - 00:40:11:07
Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:11:07 - 00:40:12:06
Keep an ear out.

00:40:12:06 - 00:40:14:21
Keep an eye out. Sounds good on. Yeah.

00:40:16:02 - 00:40:17:13
Big wall for Mac everyone.

00:40:17:13 - 00:40:17:23
Yeah.

00:40:17:23 - 00:40:20:12
Celebration 50th

00:40:20:12 - 00:40:21:21
throwing it out into the world.

00:40:21:21 - 00:40:25:07
Oh is this for me. Is it me.

00:40:25:12 - 00:40:25:20
Yeah.

00:40:25:20 - 00:40:30:05
So for young artists,
especially those from minority or under.

00:40:32:02 - 00:40:34:06
Representing okay communities,

00:40:34:06 - 00:40:37:08
what advice do you have
for making their voices heard through art?

00:40:38:01 - 00:40:40:05
Kick the door down.

00:40:40:05 - 00:40:41:18
No, but it's true. Yeah.

00:40:41:18 - 00:40:44:18
I I'm so tired of hearing
people talk about

00:40:45:04 - 00:40:47:01
the Canada like, it's like this and this.

00:40:47:01 - 00:40:47:20
Yeah. That's cool.

00:40:47:20 - 00:40:49:10
That's for you guys in the South.

00:40:49:10 - 00:40:51:21
Yeah. It's not the same up north.

00:40:51:21 - 00:40:55:15
The reality is like
as soon as you're in North Bay or up,

00:40:55:20 - 00:40:58:20
the dollar is not the same.

00:40:58:21 - 00:41:02:05
All the issues are,
you know, sending us resources and apps.

00:41:02:10 - 00:41:03:10
That's nice.

00:41:03:10 - 00:41:05:22
Are you going to send a tower
with the internet?

00:41:05:22 - 00:41:06:22
Yeah. Yeah,

00:41:08:03 - 00:41:09:14
yeah, for talking to us.

00:41:09:14 - 00:41:09:22
Yeah.

00:41:09:22 - 00:41:12:17
You've completely ignored us
from the conversation. Yeah.

00:41:12:17 - 00:41:14:14
And then you're wondering
why we don't want to engage

00:41:14:14 - 00:41:15:17
or you are assuming we're not.

00:41:15:17 - 00:41:16:20
They're not.

00:41:16:20 - 00:41:19:03
Man, this is not the same language.

00:41:19:03 - 00:41:19:13
Yeah.

00:41:19:13 - 00:41:24:06
And I'm not talking like Franco-Ontarian
and regionalism or stuff

00:41:24:06 - 00:41:28:06
like that is just in general,
like, please, please,

00:41:28:06 - 00:41:31:17
take a step back and just take into
consideration how you're treating it, like

00:41:32:01 - 00:41:34:16
especially with the youth from,
you know, hear from.

00:41:34:16 - 00:41:35:08
So say Maddie.

00:41:35:08 - 00:41:37:00
Yeah, yeah.

00:41:37:00 - 00:41:38:11
You've been on that highway
a couple times.

00:41:38:11 - 00:41:41:11
The trauma on that highway,

00:41:41:20 - 00:41:44:16
there's no service from around Mattawa.

00:41:44:16 - 00:41:47:16
Yeah, yeah, it's quite the highway.

00:41:48:03 - 00:41:49:18
Yeah. The door down.

00:41:49:18 - 00:41:52:08
Kick the door, kick the door down.
I was like, what was that.

00:41:52:08 - 00:41:53:06
I don't even know. I was like

00:41:54:07 - 00:41:57:03
I honestly think for them all of us
participate.

00:41:57:03 - 00:42:00:03
Yeah. Participate like

00:42:00:14 - 00:42:04:14
just because these grants or
these of their activities don't seem like

00:42:04:14 - 00:42:08:14
they were maybe built for you,
doesn't mean you can't apply and suggest.

00:42:08:15 - 00:42:12:06
Yeah, it should be molded for you or
have a voice of changing it to you, right?

00:42:12:06 - 00:42:13:18
Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:13:18 - 00:42:15:22
Like you don't need to move
to make things happen.

00:42:15:22 - 00:42:18:01
No, there's no laws there. Yeah.

00:42:18:01 - 00:42:20:22
Like there's no
two story buildings or stuff like that.

00:42:20:22 - 00:42:23:22
But no. No escalators.

00:42:24:03 - 00:42:25:09
No escalators.

00:42:25:09 - 00:42:27:06
Yeah. What conversation was that?

00:42:27:06 - 00:42:28:14
Probably because when I was growing up,

00:42:28:14 - 00:42:30:02
somebody told me that
there was no escalators.

00:42:30:02 - 00:42:33:02
When I moved to the C, when I was like,
would you mean there was no escalators?

00:42:33:08 - 00:42:34:22
Right? I was like, how did we get around?

00:42:36:12 - 00:42:39:12
But I never realized that as a small child
that there was no escalators.

00:42:39:12 - 00:42:40:08
Right.

00:42:40:08 - 00:42:43:11
So and I don't even think there is
any still, like, everything's pretty.

00:42:44:15 - 00:42:45:20
Really? Yeah.

00:42:45:20 - 00:42:48:20
That's weird.

00:42:49:06 - 00:42:50:10
Yeah.

00:42:50:10 - 00:42:52:23
Is there art on the on the metal?

00:42:52:23 - 00:42:54:10
That 1 or 2.

00:42:54:10 - 00:42:58:07
It should add something
because there you go, there you go.

00:42:58:10 - 00:43:01:00
So I'll say I'll share that with you guys
soon.

00:43:01:00 - 00:43:02:01
Yeah.

00:43:02:01 - 00:43:03:21
Just to Derrick down the door.

00:43:03:21 - 00:43:06:07
Yep, I fun dating.

00:43:06:07 - 00:43:07:14
Yes, it was so much fun.

00:43:07:14 - 00:43:09:04
It's always fun painting with you.

00:43:09:04 - 00:43:11:08
Yeah, I don't think we really touched
on that too much.

00:43:11:08 - 00:43:13:04
We talked a little bit about it.

00:43:13:04 - 00:43:15:19
Yeah. Thank you for inviting me.

00:43:15:19 - 00:43:18:09
Yeah. Always.
Thank you for giving me a challenge.

00:43:18:09 - 00:43:18:23
You know,

00:43:18:23 - 00:43:21:23
I always struggle with smaller pieces,
so it's cool to have more practice.

00:43:22:05 - 00:43:22:11
Yeah.

00:43:22:11 - 00:43:27:13
And also, just,
like utilizing some leftover to paint.

00:43:27:16 - 00:43:29:08
Nice, nice.

00:43:29:08 - 00:43:33:04
And it will be, for sale during
probably around disrupt.

00:43:33:04 - 00:43:34:12
We're going to do an art show.

00:43:34:12 - 00:43:37:12
Don't have exacts on that right now,
but we'll be sharing that soon.

00:43:37:18 - 00:43:41:23
So there will be about 12 pieces
and yeah, it's exciting.

00:43:42:02 - 00:43:43:16
Will do a lot of fun things around that.

00:43:43:16 - 00:43:46:12
So I know what I'm doing right now.
What are you doing?

00:43:46:12 - 00:43:48:17
Oh my God, I've been working on this
for three months.

00:43:48:17 - 00:43:51:04
Oh, yes.

00:43:51:04 - 00:43:55:06
I'm working on a whole insides
of the new climate location.

00:43:55:13 - 00:43:57:06
Yes. That's cool.

00:43:57:06 - 00:43:58:20
Which is around the corner again.

00:43:58:20 - 00:44:01:09
Yeah, yeah, for an opening for April 1st.

00:44:01:09 - 00:44:03:04
Nice, nice.

00:44:03:04 - 00:44:03:21
Yeah, yeah.

00:44:03:21 - 00:44:06:13
But you could also check out the work
I've done for them

00:44:06:13 - 00:44:08:03
at their Wakefield location.

00:44:08:03 - 00:44:11:03
And I will put in a nice little more.

00:44:11:08 - 00:44:12:09
Yeah. They're pretty cool.

00:44:12:09 - 00:44:14:00
Yeah. You about it. Nice.

00:44:14:00 - 00:44:15:02
Yeah. From Miami. I'm.

00:44:16:01 - 00:44:16:12
Oh yeah.

00:44:16:12 - 00:44:17:09
He's cool.

00:44:17:09 - 00:44:18:09
Yeah. They're both really cool.

00:44:18:09 - 00:44:20:02
I like that place a lot. Yeah.

00:44:20:02 - 00:44:22:18
I'm, skateboarding. Cool.

00:44:22:18 - 00:44:25:02
I love what he does
with, like, upcycled skateboards.

00:44:25:02 - 00:44:26:14
That's really cool.

00:44:26:14 - 00:44:28:20
He knew him by watch
finding him on YouTube.

00:44:28:20 - 00:44:30:06
I'll put a link to me, a meme too.

00:44:30:06 - 00:44:32:17
They open a store down the street?

00:44:32:17 - 00:44:35:01
Yeah, yeah. Their father in law.

00:44:35:01 - 00:44:38:01
Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Okay.

00:44:38:07 - 00:44:38:18
All right.

00:44:38:18 - 00:44:43:20
I remember watching them do a skate video
dressed in Olympic gear.

00:44:44:05 - 00:44:46:05
Oh, okay.

00:44:46:05 - 00:44:49:03
Did the skate, like, obstacle?

00:44:49:03 - 00:44:52:11
Well, like murals on them and his, like,
mostly creatures.

00:44:52:13 - 00:44:52:21
Yeah.

00:44:52:21 - 00:44:55:07
And it was cool, like.

00:44:55:07 - 00:44:56:17
Yeah, it was all shot by them.

00:44:56:17 - 00:44:58:09
And the guys from Berlin that we know
today.

00:44:58:09 - 00:45:01:10
Zero. It incredible.

00:45:01:12 - 00:45:04:02
Nice. Yeah.
We have a lot of cool crews, man.

00:45:04:02 - 00:45:09:03
This city has so much talent that's not
represented in the way that it should be.

00:45:09:12 - 00:45:10:17
Yeah. What's his name?

00:45:10:17 - 00:45:11:11
Andrew Zito.

00:45:11:11 - 00:45:13:16
Okay, so I was in staples the other day.

00:45:13:16 - 00:45:15:19
Yeah. And I'm like checking out.

00:45:15:19 - 00:45:19:06
And there's like a one of those
cardboard things for Canada Post.

00:45:19:16 - 00:45:20:23
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:20:23 - 00:45:23:01
He's Muslim so.

00:45:23:01 - 00:45:25:05
Okay. This is cool I'm pretty sure.

00:45:25:05 - 00:45:29:07
And like you can correct me if I'm wrong,
Vijay, but we have an amazing,

00:45:29:20 - 00:45:34:10
casting agent, for, like, a lot of,
like, the OC Transpo ads and whatnot.

00:45:34:23 - 00:45:37:00
Who's actually part of that community?

00:45:37:00 - 00:45:38:03
Oh, nice.

00:45:38:03 - 00:45:40:20
Yeah, yeah. And, so. Yeah.

00:45:40:20 - 00:45:45:22
So if you look at some of the OC
Transpo ads, you might see Josh, what's.

00:45:46:08 - 00:45:47:15
Oh, what's.

00:45:47:15 - 00:45:50:00
Yeah,
the stable Canada Post Awards, you'll see.

00:45:50:00 - 00:45:53:13
Z2 there's a couple of like,
that's funny Easter eggs around.

00:45:53:17 - 00:45:54:00
Yeah.

00:45:55:05 - 00:45:56:17
First year for sure.

00:45:56:17 - 00:45:59:12
Well, even like I saw like a Leah
from Move Ottawa

00:45:59:12 - 00:46:02:21
on a bus or something one day like in
and I'm like, what is happening here?

00:46:03:05 - 00:46:05:21
It's cool to see people that you know,
instead of just like people

00:46:05:21 - 00:46:07:02
that are like random strangers.

00:46:07:02 - 00:46:07:08
Right.

00:46:07:08 - 00:46:09:11
It's cool to get like that morning fog

00:46:09:11 - 00:46:13:11
and you're taking like, yeah, you're like,
what's happening here is that, is that

00:46:13:21 - 00:46:16:18
is that similar to when we showed up
at your show in North Bay?

00:46:16:18 - 00:46:21:02
Like Mique there's jujubes in the back,

00:46:22:02 - 00:46:24:06
like I'm gonna put that,

00:46:24:06 - 00:46:27:06
yeah, there's tube juice in the back.

00:46:27:10 - 00:46:30:10
I was like, we don't want you
juice became to see your show

00:46:31:15 - 00:46:33:17
isn't like.

00:46:33:17 - 00:46:35:11
Like that was just like, okay, urban.

00:46:35:11 - 00:46:38:23
Our collective, my crew,
this is my family for Ottawa.

00:46:39:03 - 00:46:42:03
And then I'm in northern Ontario,
where I deal with, like,

00:46:42:03 - 00:46:47:02
you know, the fam family and expecting
just them at the show.

00:46:47:02 - 00:46:50:20
And like,
if you, or like creatives from North Bay

00:46:51:02 - 00:46:54:02
and talking to everybody and just seeing
like Ottawa in my brain completely.

00:46:54:17 - 00:46:56:00
Yeah. You look frozen.

00:46:56:00 - 00:46:58:23
Yeah. Tube juice is not a work.

00:46:58:23 - 00:47:01:05
The only thing that came
out of my mouth was often.

00:47:03:22 - 00:47:05:01
That was the best.

00:47:05:01 - 00:47:07:05
Yeah. Yeah, it was amazing.

00:47:07:05 - 00:47:09:15
Yeah. I just wish I got a video coming in.

00:47:09:15 - 00:47:10:15
I didn't think to do that,

00:47:10:15 - 00:47:14:00
and I wish I would have, but the whole
like there's tube ships in the back.

00:47:15:00 - 00:47:16:06
I don't know why you're here.

00:47:16:06 - 00:47:18:23
I'm confused. Yes.

00:47:18:23 - 00:47:20:04
That was the best.

00:47:20:04 - 00:47:22:07
Wait, do I know them?

00:47:22:07 - 00:47:25:00
And so this this is my ticular minute.

00:47:25:00 - 00:47:28:18
Do you guys remember how you looked like
when you met my mom?

00:47:28:20 - 00:47:31:13
Oh, no. That is so weird.

00:47:31:13 - 00:47:33:16
Because I was like,
I don't think she recognizes us.

00:47:33:16 - 00:47:35:08
I don't think she remembers us.

00:47:35:08 - 00:47:38:08
Think about the day we was at Halloween.

00:47:38:14 - 00:47:39:06
Oh, geez.

00:47:39:06 - 00:47:41:19
We are creepy dolls. Oh, you.

00:47:41:19 - 00:47:43:11
Oh my gosh, your poor mother.

00:47:43:11 - 00:47:44:16
I didn't even think about that.

00:47:44:16 - 00:47:47:00
Oh my gosh. Oh, I was creepy.

00:47:47:00 - 00:47:48:08
Can we add a photo of that?

00:47:48:08 - 00:47:49:03
Yeah, I had a key.

00:47:49:03 - 00:47:51:10
Yeah, it took a while and it's the next.

00:47:51:10 - 00:47:55:03
It's probably in my voice too
because like Abby, she recognized

00:47:55:03 - 00:47:59:16
right away cause, like, yeah, yeah,
but no, it took a while.

00:47:59:18 - 00:48:01:05
That's hilarious.

00:48:01:05 - 00:48:03:15
I never even thought about that.
That is so funny.

00:48:03:15 - 00:48:04:13
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:48:04:13 - 00:48:05:21
We were totally creepy looking too.

00:48:05:21 - 00:48:08:06
So, yeah, I was super creepy.

00:48:08:06 - 00:48:11:06
I loved it,
I was just, like, a lot of people.

00:48:11:06 - 00:48:12:02
It was.

00:48:12:02 - 00:48:14:15
Yeah, there was a lot of people that day,
which was fun.

00:48:14:15 - 00:48:16:07
But yeah, for your poor mom, I feel bad.

00:48:17:22 - 00:48:19:20
I should've just dressed like that
for your show.

00:48:19:20 - 00:48:22:20
But the creepy doll that did.

00:48:24:15 - 00:48:25:06
Yeah.

00:48:25:06 - 00:48:26:00
And then there's me.

00:48:26:00 - 00:48:29:02
And, like, 12 greyhounds to go on one.

00:48:29:06 - 00:48:31:17
Oh, my gosh, it was happening.

00:48:31:17 - 00:48:32:16
And she's like, wow.

00:48:32:16 - 00:48:35:16
Oh, this thing.

00:48:36:01 - 00:48:36:23
Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:36:23 - 00:48:39:22
She's like, these people are freaks. Yeah.

00:48:39:22 - 00:48:41:16
It's like,

00:48:41:16 - 00:48:42:06
that's funny.

00:48:42:06 - 00:48:43:22
Your poor mother, though,
I totally forgot.

00:48:43:22 - 00:48:45:09
That's how we were dressed.

00:48:45:09 - 00:48:46:08
This.

00:48:46:08 - 00:48:48:00
Gosh, this one says wrap up.

00:48:48:00 - 00:48:50:20
I guess that's a wrap up. So,

00:48:50:20 - 00:48:53:20
yeah,
this has been an amazing conversation,

00:48:54:08 - 00:48:58:05
but for TV, where, you know,
that one part was brought up.

00:48:58:09 - 00:49:01:17
Oh, well, it's nice to, you know,

00:49:01:17 - 00:49:04:17
there's
no need for your insights and stories.

00:49:05:04 - 00:49:07:07
Obviously we're going to throw some links

00:49:07:07 - 00:49:10:07
down, below, if you will,

00:49:10:14 - 00:49:14:01
and, Mique’s webstie is miquemichelle.ca.

00:49:14:13 - 00:49:17:13
And of course, the Urban Art Collective, it's
not Michelle Mique.

00:49:17:15 - 00:49:20:15
Don't go to that. Don't get them confused.

00:49:20:19 - 00:49:24:11
And then urban art collector Dot city,
we have her work up there as well too.

00:49:24:22 - 00:49:26:18
Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast.

00:49:26:18 - 00:49:31:08
Yes, social media and to hear more urban
art stories and there you go.

00:49:31:15 - 00:49:33:16
Yeah. Let's see. Thanks, Mique.

00:49:35:09 - 00:49:38:09
Au revoir!

00:50:47:01 - 00:50:49:13
Well, full circle, you were here for that.

00:50:49:13 - 00:50:52:03
When we were in the OAG paintings.

00:50:52:03 - 00:50:55:03
The 40 year. Yep. Till infinity.

00:50:55:05 - 00:50:57:13
And I think it's a shell.

00:50:57:13 - 00:51:00:03
And the little girl
were talking about my graph and say,

00:51:00:03 - 00:51:03:10
yo, that's the girl who paints like
the northern Lights.

00:51:03:13 - 00:51:05:07
Oh, and that hit me.

00:51:05:07 - 00:51:06:00
Yeah.

00:51:06:00 - 00:51:08:17
So hard because so many people

00:51:08:17 - 00:51:12:15
it's you get to compare yourself
to like LA or New York style graffiti.

00:51:12:15 - 00:51:12:22
Yeah.

00:51:12:22 - 00:51:15:22
And when we do this we compare ourselves
to all the other artists.

00:51:16:16 - 00:51:17:18
And I have this.

00:51:17:18 - 00:51:18:16
But you shouldn't.

00:51:18:16 - 00:51:21:16
I do.

00:51:21:19 - 00:51:22:17
Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:22:17 - 00:51:26:03
And I think it was at that moment I was
like, yo, no, man, I'm from the North.

00:51:26:08 - 00:51:26:12
Yeah,