00:00:00 - Johnny Sanders
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00:01:06 - Joy Pullmann
Well, first of all, thank you for having me, and thank you to the audience for listening. I guess my personal background is I grew up in the Midwest on the family farm in Wisconsin, still live in the Midwest, and work for The Federalist. I went to Hillsdale College. My husband and I married right out of college, went to DC for a while, and we're glad to not be there again. And I guess I'm trying to think. I've been at the Federalist. I was actually their first hire. They're not a startup anymore, but they were ten years ago. And I really love the environment there, all the people there. And I guess the other big thing about me, I'm the mother of six children, and I was planning to have as few as possible. So that has been one of the excitements of my life, and now I love it. So that's been a big change in my life. But so I have this new book out. I've always been a writer. Can't stop myself. I told my husband before signing the contract, babe, you have to let me do it because I'll be writing a book regardless of whether it gets published anywhere. So this is, I guess, my latest effort. And I feel like being at the Federalist puts me in a position to courageously say things that a lot of people would be punished, socially ostracized, and all the rest for saying. And I have a very supportive church community behind me, a very supportive workplace. And so I feel like it is kind of incumbent upon me to be able to say things that other people, I think, think, and they know is, you know, especially true with their, if they are religious, of a faith background person. But again, I know many people who would be fired immediately if they said any of the, even the softer things that I say in the book.

00:02:39 - Johnny Sanders
Yeah, absolutely. And that's, that's something that we talk about often with the different guests and just with my own commentary on this podcast of how specifically, as conservative Christians, we can really self-censor pretty often. And for, like you said, for good reason. You got to get a, get a job and put food on the table and everything. I've shared my own personal story that during the vaccine mandates a couple of years ago, I lost my job. And it was one of those things where it was really stressful. Now I look back and like, thank God for all the changes and the blessings, and my life is way better than it was in part because of those struggles. But I think it's always encouraging to, even if you're personally not in a position to write a book like you are, to know that somebody out there is doing those things and that you're not crazy, that during, during pride month that you've known things are wrong for a long time. And somebody like you, Joy. Right. Putting these words to paper, I'm sure, is just such a big encouragement. Encouragement for people that feel so, so stuck and that they can't say anything. So I think that's fantastic that you're able to write a book like this.

00:04:01 - Joy Pullmann
Yeah. I think that climate is really unhealthy for people, you know, the inability to express what, you know, to be true. And I also think that because there is this sort of like self-censorship and call even, I mean, I know online, for example, you know, that, you know, one of the search terms that is targeted for censorship by big tech, by the government, federal government agencies is those related to queer sexuality. You know, so, I mean, and, you know, there have been a lot of fishy things I wrote about this week for The Federalist, you know, with getting the book out on Amazon, you know, that people who are insiders in big tech tell me, you know, they think it was specifically targeted, you know, just for getting trouble, getting to people's, getting shipped and being brought up in people's feeds and the like. But I think, but I think that whole environment actually is creating this situation where it is if you can't ever criticize any entity or person or group or outfit, then they're allowed to do increasingly dangerous and wicked things. And so I write in the book, there are some surprising things, even just the idea of a pride parade where people go out and flash their naked private parts at small children or we've seen the kids who are transgender drag queens, and they're out there wiggling their half-naked bodies in front of adults for tips, just like a stripper when they're nine years old. That's an actual thing that has happened in the United States. You know, those sorts of things. Those are rapey, pedophilic things, and they really should be questioned. And so. But when no one's allowed to question something that has a rainbow sticker on it, it allows these sorts of abuses to happen. And so I really do think that you know, there needs to be. As much as we can, we do need to use the free speech that we have and really be able to publicly question and say, look, I don't care whether you're gay, straight, or whatever the case is, but, you know, sex and kids really is a non-starter for us.

00:05:51 - Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. And let's. Let's kind of dive a little bit into not just the book itself. I'm actually curious here. In the beginning of, like, I know, lgbt stuff, queer politics, it's. It's not exactly new. It didn't happen just this last. Last week, but in a lot of ways, especially the. The g part I know you hear, like, the LGB without the t. That's kind of a current phrase now. That's like. It's all about just the train stuff. Just transducing stuff is bad. Um, everything else was fine before it. It's just the trance. Um, I'm. I'm curious about you getting into the book of why, looking at kind of queer politics as a whole, the whole movement as a whole, why is that important to write about the entire movement and not only the transgender transient, our kids' piece?
00:06:46 - Joy Pullmann
Well, I think that the fact that, um. That all the vitriol that's reserved for the tea is actually because people are. Are censoring themselves more on the lgbt, you know, the part that has become completely verboten. So that's why I think, especially on right media, you know, they feel safer talking about the trans issue, but it's very unlikely that you're gonna hear most right media figures go after the LGB, and. But I actually think they're. I mean, there are differences between each and every one of those groups. They actually don't get along very well. You know, lesbians and gays have a very, you know, fraught alliance going back, you know, basically to the beginning of them being a political interest in the United States. Get the gays and transsexuals don't get along. Neither do the lesbians and the gays. So what really unites them all, I think. I mean, I write about this in the book, is what they are. Their hatred of the white heterosexual male and the father-headed household that is the core of Western civilization. But I think another thing that unites them all, both philosophically and just physically in real life, is that each of them, in slightly different ways, essentially does the same thing as the transgender as well as feminists, of essentially rejecting some aspect of the sex they were born into. You know, so God made us, male or female, and he made male and female to fit together. That's the only way you can procreate and create the next generation of society. And so that's the only self-creating, naturally fertile encounter between people. And so. But so each of those people under the Alphabet suit rejects some aspect, right? So each of the lesbians and the homosexuals, you know, they reject the duality of the male-female coupling, right? They reject either. Lesbians reject men as a sex partner, and homosexuals reject women as sex partners. The bisexual people are. Well, most bisexual people are actually heterosexuals who have a fling on the side. That's what the data shows. The vast majority of people who say that they're bi are actually engaging in heterosexual sex when they are having sex. And the transgender folks are also. Obviously, they're rejecting their birth bodies in ways that lead to, you know, amputations of healthy body parts and so forth. So maybe the transgender kind of aspect of it is a little bit more visible, but it doesn't. There is the uniting fact that each one of these members of this alleged coalition is rejecting some aspect of male or female sexuality that only together can male and female become one flesh. You know, be united and create a society out of that, what they can.

00:09:18 - Johnny Sanders
Do together privately, a couple of things that stand out to me. And I noticed this in the book as well. I've heard this before, but, yeah, we have this notion that LGBTQ, and obviously, we know that acronym just goes on for a very long time, that they're all one big, happy family. There's no. No animosity. They're just happy and goodness, now there's racial stuff on the flag as well. Everybody just gets along, and it's not true. It's not true in the slightest. But that's the narrative that. That is with. That narrative requires something.
00:09:58 - Joy Pullmann
Yeah, go ahead.

00:10:00 - Johnny Sanders
I think you're right. And this ties into. No, you're good. This. This ties into the sexual Marxism piece, which I found so intriguing whenever I was reading through the book that I just. I've heard of Marxism. I know that there's sexual things going on, but I don't know if I've heard it quite put together that way. So why don't you tell the audience just a little bit about what sexual Marxism is and how that ties these groups together?

00:10:33 - Joy Pullmann
Yeah, I found that really surprising also, when I was researching this book. I have just kind of a personal hobby in communism and totalitarianism. So I was an English major in college, and my senior honors thesis was about basically literature that related to totalitarian societies, you know, the Holocaust, the Gulag archipelago, and so forth. So I've always just been interested because I just. Whenever the communist figure is such a figure of, like, subversion, lying, and deceit that we know where you see that sort of activity, my ears perk up because I think something that is not what it seems is happening here when that is being involved. So in the book, what I do is go back to some of the. The early theorists, you know, the communist theorists, including Karl Marx, really note the fact that there are very strong ties between not just economic Marxism, but also Marxism with the sort of cultural version that we have today. So the Marxists, like the economic ones, actually, by the way, suffused Franklin Delano Roosevelt's government. I think a lot of people don't know that, but they were everywhere, both overtly, as well as fellow travelers as well as secret agencies from the Soviet and communist governments in government positions within the administration.

00:11:51 - Johnny Sanders
So.

00:11:51 - Joy Pullmann
But communists have always basically, they didn't. They thought with the United States that we were such a prosperous society that their mecca, their argument for, you know, let's have a revolution and smash the system because you are basically a bunch of serfs that are controlled by just a small number of very, very rich people because wealth is so more evenly distributed in the United States. We have always historically had a strong, vibrant majority middle class. The communists thought, you know, that economic message to the Americans is not going to be very successful, you know because they actually have pretty good working conditions. They have, you know, better pay. Their economy is better than anywhere else. They don't want to endanger that, you know, they're not going to lose their healthcare and their job and their TV set and their nice kitchen, you know, for a revolution. That sounds crazy to them. So instead of going the direct way as they had in other countries that were more serf states, such as Russia and China, and demanding a communist revolution, instead, what they decided was, we're going to work through the cultural institutions to demoralize Americans and convert them to communism culturally. So they saw sexual politics as one of the ways of doing this. Basically, the whole of identity politics stems directly from that communist desire to subvert America through the culture of its people, through destroying its culture. And how do you destroy a culture? You first start by destroying the families. So literally, the communists said, you know, they were against marriage as part of the communist manifesto platform. The early feminists, many of them were outright Marxists, you know, married to Marxists, or I would say not married, right? But sometimes they were married, but shacking up with them and so forth. You know, many of the people who were in this philosophical academy were personally sexual deviants or exhibitionists of some sort, right? They were personally, you know, they were sleeping around with a lot of women, abandoning their children, abandoning their marriages, abandoning their families. Or they were. Some of them were pedophiles or, you know, they were lesbians, homosexuals. That was very common among, you know, the Marxist philosophers and their descendants. And so. But they. So they both personally, you know, acted. I don't. I guess I'm. They both personally acted on their own philosophy. And I'm just hesitating there because I think maybe they developed the philosophy also to justify what they were already doing. Privately. I don't. I may probably have some of both, but they both personally did that and advocated for it as a means to destroy capitalist societies. So the feminists, for example, I quote from an excellent book about feminism, Carrie Gress's book, the End of Woman. She quotes the second-wave feminists of the 1960s as literally saying that they were going to overturn capitalism and the patriarchy by promoting, I mean, this is by name, abortion, transgenderism, homosexuality, and divorce. Right? So they did not see these things as accidental political planks. You know, they. You know, they used this liberationist, oh, you know, people trapped in marriages thing as a sort of trick. But their real, true goal, and they. That they admitted internally to themselves and some in their own philosophy, that I quote in the book, was that we will destroy the family as a bulwark against a totalitarian government, as its own self-created, autonomous mini society upon which the entirety of a society can be built. We have to destroy that, and we will do that with, you know, essentially having anything and anything but heterosexual marriage.

00:15:25 - Johnny Sanders
And you're. You're talking there about why this stuff is so important. They gave us the blue, the blueprint, and we'll just touch on the feminism aspect that I hear all the time, that, you know, first wave, second wave. That was fine. It's just the new stuff. That. That's not good. It's not true. If you just look through their readings, like. Like you just said, they. They gave us what. What they're trying to do, and that affects everybody. I. I'm not hearing this as often as I once was. I live in ruby-red rural Oklahoma. I mean, we are, like, 80-plus percent Republican. I mean, super, super conservative part of the country. But I used to hear this stuff won't happen here. It. It's too conservative, too rural. It'll never get here. And I don't hear that as much anymore. Um, I know that there are. There are furries in the high school. I mean, all sorts of stuff, um, that are. That is here. Um, we can't. There's no option of. Yes, they. There's no. It's a global world. They have TikTok. They're getting access to all of this, so there's no insulation to where our kids won't be impacted at all. That's off the table. What is, as far as, especially a conservative Christian type of worldview here, what's the next best option if we can't keep our kids from anything? How do we help protect the family? The families want found the western civilizations based on. How do we protect the family with all of this sexual Marxism going on?

00:17:10 - Joy Pullmann
Well, I actually do firmly believe that parents should keep. No child should have unsupervised Internet access just period. That's a hard no for me, just because, I mean, I have read the studies, and I quote them in the book. You know, I've read the testimonials from people, kids who have been trans. They say that, you know, all the social media sites and unsupervised access to them were extremely crucial to their identifying as transgender. And since that, you know, can be a threat to the child's life, it certainly is to the child's body. There's just no question that that's not happening for my children. They're not watching, you know, hellish things on the Internet created by strangers who have their worst interests at heart. So, I mean, so in my family, you know the plan. So, my oldest is 13, right? So we plan to let him have a cell phone by the. You know, once they're driving, you know, we're going to have a dumb phone, right? Just a text and talk phone with some paid minutes on it, you know, that they take when they drive somewhere in the car or if they need it for the job that they're at because a lot of jobs need that. You know, that's just what we're going for. And we've talked with our kids about that. Right? Like, don't look at other kids' phones. There can be, you know, just things from that, from hell on it, you know, that you do not want to see a picture into hell. We were protecting you from that. Come ask your mom or daddy. And, you know, we make friends with people who have shared those similar commitments because, I mean, I just think a lot of people have their heads in the sand about not just the easy access to pornography, just straight-up pornography, actual porn sites that kids have from those phones. And they can get around many of these supposed controls, but also the soft pornography that is on every single social media website and brought to them, you know, by their peer group many of the times. So, I mean, I just think that every cognizant parent needs to restrict the screens as much as possible. Yes, that is hard. Yes, it's a free babysitter. Yes, it shuts the kids up for hours. But, you know, I think your kid's soul is worth a little bit of discomfort in figuring out how to develop skills of other things to do with their time that don't lock them into, you know, eyes with strangers who, again, don't have their best interest at heart. I think something else that's super important that is always, you know, in the stories of people that influence their sexual behavior is just the lack of love that people have received. And I actually think, you know, not protecting your kids from. From unfettered screen access is a lack of love. Right. You're putting your own comfort and at the very least about them not whining at you. Right. You know, not pestering you that Jimmy down the street has a phone. Why can't he, you know, you're putting your own comfort ahead of the safety and the well-being of your own child. And parents need to stop doing that. So, I mean, in addition to, you know, just reducing the screens with their kids, families need to learn how to spend time with each other and actually focus on that. Maybe. You know, I know a lot of families, including mine, you know, and we've made some changes as a result of realizing that. Overcommitted. Right. Maybe it would be better for you to have one fewer sport that your family does so that you could have some more family dinners together so that you actually know what's going on in your children's lives and that they talk to you sometimes and then, you know, so that's just kind of at home, things that I think people can do when you have children. But I think for other people, I mean, I mean, we learn how to love from our family. So I think all of us also have difficult family members or sometimes resistance to creating a family. I certainly did. My parents, you know, are vehemently separated. Very difficult thing, you know, in my childhood. And so I was scared of getting married. I understand that, but I don't. I think that a mature person, you know, chooses to love and learn how to love another person as a part of developing his maturity. So people need to learn, you know, how to get through that resistance to being married, having children and say, look, you know, I'm going to man up. I'm going to woman up. I'm going to leap into this adventure and it's going to be difficult. And I am going to develop the character through that difficulty to, you know, next to level myself up through these relationships. And the same goes, you know, you know, for extended family, difficult relationships there, you know, learning how to love people includes, you know, figuring out how to deal with a difficult brother, spouse, you know, grandparents, you know, whatever the case is, and trying to figure out, you know, how can I work with these people? How can I show love towards them even if things aren't going to be perfect? Because loneliness and isolation are rampant in our society. The screens drive that, but also our own awkwardness. And frankly, they make it easy for us to kind of feel like we actually have relationships while we're actually killing all the skills that actual relationships require, like having practice having a difficult or awkward conversation, like having practice correcting people lovingly, like having practice taking correction from people. All of those things we have to learn on the job, you know, with, through actual interactions with people that can be uncomfortable. And I think all of us need to stop avoiding denying what's wrong with us in our situations and turn and face the difficulty. And because the if we don't do it, take that responsibility on ourselves, you know, then we are creating the society that's crumbling all around our ears from our own very own actions.

00:22:32 - Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. And this actually ties in well to my next question that we have to take. And I know my wife and I, we have three kiddos of our own, we take very seriously what they ingest, what screens they're looking at, what books they're reading, even that we know that things are trying to get into their minds that are just wrong. So we take that very seriously and we take that responsibility on ourselves. We don't want society to figure that out for us. We know that that's our job as parents. And I love that you mentioned different other family members or neighbors or church members just trying to control the circle that we have because we have a lot more sphere of influence on that to the next sphere, which is important. We're in the middle of election season right now. The politics piece is important. We just obviously, as an individual, have a lot less ability to impact that. Yeah, we can show up and vote and things of that nature, but we don't need to be naive either and think that one election will get rid of the decades of just rot that has been going on in our political system. So as functioning members of society, maybe people that are listening to this, what hope is there and what actions are there that we can take to get our political discourse, our political system going on the right track again?

00:24:05 - Joy Pullmann
I mean, I do think it does start at home with self-government, governing yourself and then governing your family, because I do believe, I mean, that's a biblical principle. I was just reading, oh, I'm forgetting where it is in the New Testament, but it, you know, folks can look it up, but where the biblical commands for overseers involved being a good manager and well, in charge of his own home, you know, the man who is going to be leading other people should have a well functioning household. So if you want to be a leader, I think we need a lot more leaders. We need a lot more faithful Christian leaders, you know, protecting our right to worship and speak and raise children in freedom. We absolutely need people to, you know, go out there. But I think that the path to that public leadership lies through your home and your self-leadership. Because I think a lot of the leaders that we have now, their homes are an absolute mess, and that is a reflection of their lack of character and their inability to lead. I think you earn the outside leadership through internal leadership. And so that's, I think, where people need to start. I think a simple thing that everyone can do that can make a difference would be to vote in your local primary elections, and not just to vote, but also maybe after paying a little bit of attention to local politics and learning more about the candidates, even just going to a meet and greet and listening, maybe field a candidate, pick someone who is in your church, someone who is respected, who does have a well-managed home, and say, hey, how about you run for city council, for county council? How about you run for the treasurer, to be secretary, overseeing the vote in our local county, those sorts of positions, because all of those, again, they're stepping stones for higher positions of power. And they give you a lot. They give you a lot of influence. And I think as Covid taught us, the local and the state officials absolutely do matter. And I think we're going to be in our country going into a lot more situations where we're going to need state and local leaders to say no to things coming down from the corrupt federal government. And so there need to be people in those key positions who are the lower magistrates, to use a kind of theological terminal, who are, you know, they're basically the, you know, the junior nobility who have the ability to challenge the crooked people above them. And so, I mean, so one thing I just wanted to mention about that, you know, I think it's like 25%, 20% to 30% of people who, you know, lean. I mean, actually, if either party are the people who turn out for the primary elections, I mean, I know from my own town that just a couple hundred, sometimes a couple of thousand votes can absolutely determine, you know, who is the winner of a primary or even of, you know, local city council race. So one church can change that many votes, you know, by going out and meeting voters, knocking on doors and meeting people and talking to them absolutely does change elections. It's very effective. And so if you have an appetite for change, I really just think, you know, the national politics is so screwed up that unless you're a multi-bazillionaire, you know, you're not going to make a dent. But you can make a dent in your community and you can move up through those spheres of influence to achieve those positions, to protect the people, and be faithful. You know, actually, courageous Christian leadership that is sorely, sorely non-available to most places in this society.

00:27:25 - Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. And I'm really glad that you mentioned the local politics side of things. We recently had our primaries here and there was one, a city initiative on there, and our city is not that big, but still, the vote came down to like 40 votes or something. I mean, it was super, super close. And I was thinking of that. It's like, well, my wife and I voted. I talked to a friend about where I think they voted. That was, that was almost 10% between just those two families of the winning vote there. I mean, that's a big deal and determined where our taxes go and stuff. So, yeah, you have a lot more influence on local things. And I love that you mentioned Covid. Goodness, we all know how much city mandates and things, how that really mattered. And as this relates to pride celebrations and things of that nature, you probably have a lot more influence on that than you think that you do. So don't just vote in the presidential election. That's important.

00:28:30 - Joy Pullmann
Yeah. Your local level. Right. If the police have the backing.

00:28:33 - Johnny Sanders
Yeah.

00:28:33 - Joy Pullmann
You know, of their mayor and their city council, they can arrest people who are exposing their genitals to kids. That's a win right there.

00:28:39 - Johnny Sanders
Yes, yes. I really appreciate that mindset because, again, so much of our political discourse right now is, you know, Trump versus Biden. And I. Not saying that doesn't matter. I think it matters a whole big deal. It's just that who you go to church with every week, the police officers you run into every day, they have way more influence on you on a day-to-day basis. And you don't need to just check out because it's not. Not the big vote. Like, it really does matter. Yeah.

00:29:14 - Joy Pullmann
What if your local sheriff. Right. You know, knew about an FBI raid on your home that was unconstitutional and decided he wasn't going to cooperate with it. Right. We'd love to have some more sheriffs like that. Again, the sheriff's race could be decided by 40 votes.

00:29:28 - Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. So definitely take this as. As optimism. Not that we're going to. We're gonna figure everything out. I don't like blind optimism that lgbt stuff is gonna go away, but that you have more influence over your own family, over your own community, your. Your city council is more than you think. And what you said as well, I think is really important to raise up new leaders. I think conservatives especially get scared about power and leadership. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't want to take that away from people, and I get it, but we need good leaders. The left is raising leaders all the time. They're just really bad ones. So we need some good, godly leaders to raise up as well.

00:30:12 - Joy Pullmann
God in the Bible. You know the Bible. God. God in the Bible says all the time he loves David, right? He's like, I'm giving you Israel because your sons will be on the throne. Because I love David. Because David was so good. David was, you know, he was a bad bleep in war, right? He went out there, kicked tail, and took some names. He was not a tame, you know, easygoing guy who was nice to everybody. I'm not saying go out there and cut off the heads of some Philistines, but my point is, I think if King David was, you know, and multiple other Bible leaders were that proactive and in defense of their people, maybe we could just walk some streets and knock on some doors a little bit. Right. Maybe we could say, you know, man, I can do a better job than my city government. Absolutely. You know, I've done some things in my life, and I have a proven track record of integrity. I guess I'll put my name in the hat. I mean, I just think so much of the bad things that happen in our society are because otherwise, good men are doing nothing they're spending time on. I don't honestly know, because the good men I know are working very hard, full tilt. But we just need some of them to kick the Netflix habit or whatever it is that's keeping them busy, or maybe even things that aren't evil, but maybe are keeping them from going to higher priority things. And we need more of them to step into the ring and really kick some butt and take some names.

00:31:30 - Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. And I hope that's a challenge not just for people listening, a challenge for myself or anybody to do, live life to the fullest, not in the way we have the culture say it to just have fun, but to make, for one God's name great. And to make a legacy. Make a legacy in your family, make a legacy in yours. In your town and your state. Um, that means something. You could really make a massive impact. And maybe the national news doesn't know about you, but your kids do, your neighbors do. Like, that sense of legacy in that. That way is a really big deal, and we want to take that mantle instead of just. That's why I made this podcast. Instead of just having the pessimism. Things are terrible. Things are bad. I get it. There are bad things. There are. But we need to do something about it instead of just complaining because only complaining doesn't really do anything for us.

00:32:31 - Joy Pullmann
And I also think that actually, maybe at what bottom of the demonization of the heterosexual male? I mean, I don't care what color they are, you know, so the white is just, you know, off to the side. But, you know, the demonization of men, I think, absolutely, is aimed to demoralize them and get them to sit down and shut up and drink their beer and watch their NFL or whatever it is that they're doing, instead of being like, yeah, heck no. Is some pervert gonna wag his little bits at children in my street?

00:32:58 - Johnny Sanders
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And that's something that. It's really interesting, me becoming first a husband and then a. A father. I've never been in, like, a physical fight, or I've always been kind of happy-go-lucky for the most part. But you give me a wife, you give me kids, now it's like, that protection angle is like, no, you don't mess with them. Like, yeah, now, I never thought I would have firearms, but now I have firearms. I will use them if you hurt my family. And that's. That's not a. An unloving thing. That's a very loving thing to wield violence in a protective way. As a culture, we have failed our kids by exposing them to horrible, terrible things and calling it loving, and it's just not. So, yeah, definitely hope that more and more, especially Menta, will raise up and just say, enough is enough. We're just not going to do this anymore.

00:33:58 - Joy Pullmann
And I do think it's the role of women, both visibly and just tacitly in the way that we do. Like. As you pointed out, men getting married, I have seen it so many times, have transformed. It has. Has just brought a man to the fullness of his potential. So many times, I have seen a guy who's like, why is she marrying him? You know, she gets married, he gets a baby on the way, and all of a sudden, it's like, dang, who'd let her rocket under that guy? So there is something about women that really pushes Mendez to achieve their highest potential. It can take. Transform a loser into an amazing winner. And so, you know, the men really need to have a woman backing them behind them, you know, encouraging them, supporting them all the way, telling him, you know, those voices in your head are out there in the culture. Don't listen to them. They're lying to you. You know, I'm with you, honey. Let's do this.

00:34:44 - Johnny Sanders
Yeah, absolutely. And that. That gets into, you know, really, the lgbt issue of losing our roles in culture and mixing and matching, and it's. It's just gross. And I think the. Again, the good thing about this is that, especially as Christians, we know what the truth is. My daughter can sit there and tell you what a man is, what a woman is. I didn't have to teach her that. Like, it's imprinted on her. She gets it. We just. We have to mess our kids up to believe the way that they believe, and we. We don't have to do that anymore. We don't have to let them inject themselves with just this evil. These evil theological religious beliefs that we're not calling religion, but it's what they are. And again, we just don't have to play ball anymore. And, again, I think that your book is helping. Helping wake some people up to realize that, oh, yeah. Like, this is a lot worse than I thought that. Thought it was. I probably shouldn't do this anymore.

00:35:42 - Joy Pullmann
Yeah. And I just think that American children deserve so much better than they're getting. I'm really embarrassed, you know, by the fact that kids, you know, in my city, they go to public school. They could have a substitute teacher, you know, who has fake breasts on, you know, and is a man with a beard. That happened to a woman that I know. And, you know, it's just, again, we shouldn't be tolerating this. It's disgusting that that's even allowed to happen.
00:36:05 - Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. Well, Joy, this was a wonderful conversation. And I know we really just scratched the surface on a lot of the great information that's in your book. So people who are interested in reading your book, buying your book, maybe just learning more about you, being able to reach out to you. How could people get the book and maybe reach out to you, after the podcast airs?

00:36:28 - Joy Pullmann
Well, if you just look up my bio on The Federalist, you know, you go to the Federalist and you search, you know, for our contributors. I'm on there and you can find ways to contact me on there. And if people are interested in the book, I like to recommend bookshop.org because as I mentioned, we did have some funny stuff with Amazon going on, and so it's been tricky for people who order there to get their books. So I like bookshop.org which basically routes your purchase through supporting a local independent bookstore. You can just search for my name, the name of the book, false flag on there, and it should come up easily.

00:37:00 - Johnny Sanders
Fantastic. Well, I will include some of that down in the show notes so you all can get that easily. And Joy, once again, thanks so much for being on the show with me today.

00:37:10 - Joy Pullmann
Thank you for having me.

00:37:11 - Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. And thank you to everybody who tuned in today, and we will catch you on the next episode.