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Jeremy: Welcome to Converstations with Catalysts. I am your host, Jeremy West. 
Today I have with me. Dr. Amanda Hellman. Welcome, dr. Amanda Thanks for having me, Jeremy. It's an honor to be here and talking with you. Thank you. Well, let's begin. Can you just give me and my listeners just a little bit of an overview of who is Dr. Amanda Hellman and how did you end up in the world of coaching?
Yeah, so I got into the world of coaching. Honestly, it's been a journey to get here. I started off as a, with a passion always since three, three years old of teaching. So I went to get my graduate, master's, and basically PhD in education, special education. And within that field and later got, you know, leadership degree avoided counseling, like the plague didn't think that would be a good fit.
Although people [00:01:00] thought that'd be great and eventually got my counseling masters. And then during during COVID, like right before COVID hit, I wrote a book, I had a children's book out, but I started to write my other, my, my memoir, a story about my life and healing of after trauma. And during that time, I started.
You know, really focusing on business, learning entrepreneurship skills. And I ended up getting a coach and I just had a lot of people encourage me to do coaching. And ironically, I had been an education console consultant and coach for seven or eight years after getting my PhD. So I knew how to coach, you know, I naturally am a coach empowerment person, always encouraging people.
So that's really what happened is I, you know, took two or three years from 2020 to 2022 and then I went ahead, I dove head first into coaching for the last two and a half years, then that's a cognitive release coaching with birth. So that's really my story that led me to the coaching today.
You mentioned your master's. What's your [00:02:00] doctorate in? Special education. So basically my master's and my, my Ph. D. was all in special education, but then later I went back to school and got my master's in counseling education, or counseling psychology about two years ago. So that was an additional master's and it wasn't like I wanted, you know, basically I needed it for some other things.
You know, such as like the coping skills, the healthy skills, and just really for me to understand it. And I really didn't plan on doing it, but I realized, you know, that it was a necessity for the work I would do later. You're worse than me. I got a bachelor's degree. I started a master's that I didn't finish and then I got another bachelor's degree.
But yeah, going back for a master's after a doctorate, that's crazy. Luckily not another PhD, because some people told me that. Yeah. I don't know about having two PhDs, but I do know somebody who did three PhDs Jeremy. Oh my God. Together. And I was like, no, I was thinking about doing a PhD in psychology because when I took my [00:03:00] bachelor of psychology, it just fascinates me so much that I, I was like, oh, man, I just love studying this so much.
I'll just get, you know, get a PhD and just get paid for studying it. Then I did the honors thesis, which was only 9000 words and it drove me nuts. Writing an academic language. And I decided if I was going to do anything, I was going to translate academic stuff into regular English for everybody else.
And yeah, anyway, I was talking to my psychologist yesterday and he said, Oh yeah, someone told me once no, something about if if I ever PhD, then shoot me or something like that, but anyway, It is, it's a merc. So tell me a little bit about once you went into coaching well, it sounds like you've really been doing it for 10 or more years, but once you started calling yourself a coach officially Who are your clients?
Tell me a little bit about the clients are like, yeah, so I typically work with a lot with [00:04:00] women women who may have you know, they're, they may have like need count confidence, women who want to find their voice. But I've also worked with a lot of business women who are still finding their voice, you know, or one.
Or have transition where, you know, like me, they started in one area of education or maybe marketing. Now they're going into business, right? Or now they know they have something else that they want to do. And so it's really building up women and confidence. You know, helping them shift and release their old negative mindsets.
So the primarily, the primary audience I serve are women. However, I do also work with teens. I've had some teens. And in fact, what's been really interesting is I've had some teens 14, 15 year olds. And in one year and two sessions with me, cause we talk a lot about beliefs and changing them. She said, Stop.
Stop. Stop. All self harm. She's stopped. I mean she's probably been sober for like two. She called the sober app and she has been like maybe six months after working with me. She told [00:05:00] me she was like, oh my gosh, two, two sessions in with you. I've shifted my beliefs and that happens with women too. They may have beliefs of I'm not good enough or I'm not smart enough.
Or I have to get it right. And it's been 20 years of that belief system. And just, you know, the work that I do to help rewire their brain, maybe after usually after one session, and then maybe a second session they're done. Like it's not, they don't believe that anymore. You know, we really look at those belief systems and we do the work, the techniques to help them do that.
And then I've also worked with men, you know, I've had quite a few men that I've also had wanting their voice, you know, really wanting to shift their beliefs. Deal with relationships, communication you know, really investing in themselves shifting their financial beliefs and mindset you know, so I've had quite a bit of men, but again, you know, Jeremy, my primary audience is women, but I do also work with teens and men, you know, they've certainly worked with me and had a lot of breakthroughs as well.
So it sounds like [00:06:00] maybe. You know, any marketing you do is sort of aimed at women, but then there are men and teams that come to you as well going, wait, can you help me? Yes, that's true. Yeah, there are, it's primarily for women, you know, and a lot of times I do talk about finding your voice, you know, so if I'm on media, I tend to talk about, you know, what do you need to unlock?
And in fact I don't have it out yet, Jeremy, but I, wrote a book, you know, from all the hundreds of clients I've coached. And it was it's all about beliefs. So it's like the 20 top beliefs that men, women, and children, really humans think and it's really to break down the barriers. Because so many times I think we feel silent in our thoughts and our beliefs, and we don't realize how many people actually have the same belief.
And if we could just break that barrier, then we won't be alone, and we won't feel ashamed, and we actually could reach out for help a lot more. That's fascinating. So, can you tell me, we don't have time to go through the top 20 beliefs, but what about the top 2 or 3? [00:07:00] Yeah! So, the, one of the top beliefs that both men and women have identified is, I have to get it right.
And it's the pressure to perform and be perfect. It's the pressure of, I have to get this right. And usually it's the crux of it is why I fear that people are going to, you know, not validate me. I fear that I'm you know, going to be seen in a bad light or I feel that people are going to reject everything I've done.
Right. Whether I'm an author or if I'm a speaker. And so what happens is it drives people into a performance and they get burnt out because. The function of it, right? We want to do things with excellence, but perfection is not excellent. That's one of my favorite quotes of that I share with people. It's more of, okay, how do I do things?
Well, But not at the expense of myself.
Perfection is not excellence. Tell me a little bit more about that.
All right. you mean by perfection? Perfection is not excellence. Yeah. So perfection is not excellent means to [00:08:00] me that a lot of times we equate having perfection in something that everything, all dots and eyes, right? Like that's important that we, you know, check things and that we're thorough. But what happens is when we want everything to be perfect, we're We equate that with excellence, but to me, excellence is an ongoing iteration, right?
So think about perfection. Excellence is me doing something, and then I have an opportunity to grow and learn from it, and do it over and over again, and want to keep doing this until I find that something is working. But it's not at the expense of myself, you know, my time and having no balance.
And so I think what happens People equate people equate, you know, my, my performance and having everything perfect as it's successful. When I believe that excellence is when you continue to be ongoingly, you know, experimenting and seeing how does, how do things continue to, you know, get better?
How do I keep shifting and solve things? And it's an [00:09:00] ongoing process where I can just be present and explore in it and not put so much pressure on myself. Right. Okay. So yeah. Do you find that often the expectation that people place on themselves of being perfect means that they don't even get started?
So one part of perfection, and I have to get it right, is that people avoid the task. For example, I work with a lot of authors. And they might avoid it. They may write something and then keep editing. Right. So chapter eight, you know, you could have eight chapters, but instead I have chapter one, eight times because I was editing you know that.
And so what happens is that happens, right? Where you just shut down and you don't do anything or, you know, you continuously do something to the point where you're doing your editing or you're doing something for 20 hours. And it takes. so much time out of your schedule, out of your brain and your body gets stressed, you know, because you're doing too much, you're overachieving so much.
And then you don't want to make mistakes and [00:10:00] you make mistakes and then you shut down because you're like, Oh no, I can't get it right. You see, it's like the cycle of either overdoing it and then making mistakes and then feeling like the pressure doing it even more or shutting down and doing nothing.
Yeah. And I find that often we do our best work. Unconsciously. So if you're doing 20 hours straight of trying to consciously work on something, it'd be much better to take some rest and then come back to it. And it'll just come a lot easier than just continuously trying to consciously work on it.
Yeah, absolutely. I agree. So what would you say? What's that? Yeah, that's the first one. But what's the second one? I would say, I am good enough or I am enough. It's all semantics based, but feeling enough is a hard thing for people. You know, men and women, and I actually particularly hear that a lot from men, you know, I am enough and so that can lead into, again, right, some overwork, it's different than I have to get it right, it's just feeling like you never [00:11:00] measure up, right, like you constantly have to do things, but it's more of a measuring up thing, and it can also make you feel like you're not valuable.
Right. So not being enough has to do with your value. So you might feel like you have to do all these things externally, you know, rather than internally knowing who you are. You know, pleasing people, you know, extra, you know, constantly saying yes to things that you don't have to, right, just so that you can be enough or trying to fill your time so that you can be approved.
Right. So. Okay, well, I was just going to say, King Gene has sent a voice memo. King Gene, just so you know, at the end of this, after about a half an hour conversation, we will listen to and respond to listener clips. What would you say, Amanda, is the core philosophy? Behind your coaching and how does that translate into tangible results for clients?
Good. Great question. The core philosophy for [00:12:00] me is getting at what are the thoughts or what are your beliefs, right? Even if with, I can't, I'm not enough. What are the other things that you begin thinking that ends up becoming a weight in your brain and it leads to you doing so much more. Stopping everything you're doing or leaving dreams behind or ideas because of your thinking.
And so I essentially help people to, you know, cognitive releases is the easiest way to say it. It's kind of funny, but it's true is think of a toilet flushing, right? You get rid of all of that overload of stuff, releasing all of the junk, right? Or all of the thoughts. That get in the way of your creativity, of your dreams, of your vision.
And so I help people get to those unconscious, you know, because sometimes I meet with people like, Oh, I've dealt with these different beliefs, and they're like, they're scared. Lord, when they work with me and they we are like, they're like, Oh my gosh, all these things are coming up. But I haven't really addressed it.
Cause we really get to those subconscious. We really get, I [00:13:00] really get to the belief systems to help them rewire their brain. So my philosophy is let's get to all the things that you don't always share. You don't sit down and actually think about, so we can release that so that you can move forward.
And the results will be peace. You know, a lot more peace, confidence, clarity, and vision, and really just alignment within yourself. You know, you're really know who you are. You're grounded and you feel confident to step out, to speak, to write, to be creative, you know, and get the results you want in areas of finances, business, you know, or anything that you want to put your mind to.
So basically you help people with their brain's digestive system. Yeah, really. Yeah. And flush out all the crap so that you can, yeah, be a healthy mind and move forward and do the accomplish your dreams because you've been able to get rid of all the crap. Yeah, right. I know, right? That's, I'm literally writing a book on that too, which is kind of funny.
So that's why I have that, you know, that language, but [00:14:00] yeah, it is, you know, I'm really helping you. Do you have a title for the book? Well, not yet. I have all the, it's funny. I have all the titles within the book. But I do have like a, basically it's about like, you know, emotional regularity. I don't know if that'll be the ending title, but it's more of like, you know, how can you get regulated?
So that emotional regularity, like regularity of the digestive system. Yeah. Yeah. Great plan. Yeah. So just, you know, look out for that book. It'll probably make you laugh, but it might also make you think. Good thing. And you said you've just finished another book that you haven't published yet. Yes, I know. I have quite a bit.
Does that one have a title? That one is breaking belief. It's a working title until I get it published. Breaking belief barriers. So it's all about the top 20 beliefs that hold you back that you need to break that hold you back. So you can move forward or something, you know, to that effect.
Excellent. Thank you. Okay, so. If you've [00:15:00] already shared one about the teenager, can you just give us maybe another success story where you're coaching made a big difference in a client's life or career? Yes, so I have one client. There's been multiple results for her. The first one is after one session, she had been through a lot of different situations and circumstances where, you know, a lot of pressions where she never had her voice.
And after one session, she actually gained her voice back, started going live, started looking at herself, started to love herself. Started her business and she started to you know, we had goals and she surpassed it She started to her cookie business, but she went from like zero to like, you know, probably a grand You know per month and continues to shift and flourish that you know, she got all of her Certifications for the kitchen.
You know, she started to have a partnership with a bank where she's been, they've been selling her cookies there. And she also started to go on podcasts. You know, she was on, I have a podcast of [00:16:00] my own, but she went on it and she's starting to write her book and share her story. And so there's been so many changes for her, you know, in that confidence and finding her voice.
And when I first met her, she didn't have her voice. You know, she didn't feel confident. She felt so trapped and like, you know, there's so many dreams and You know, what ifs and now she's actually moving forward and all the dreams and the goals that she wants to accomplish It's so fascinating.
I wonder Where this world would be if everybody had a coach All these people out there with all these creative ideas or maybe creative ideas, they're even trapped. They're not even conscious yet, but yeah, there's definitely people with creative ideas. Who just don't feel like they're good enough to make it happen or whatever.
Wow. The world would be a whole different place. Yeah, that's a great question, Jeremy. And it's true, right? Like, I always, I agree. I think everybody needs a counselor, right? Or a coach. And counseling is very different than coaching, you know, but [00:17:00] having a coach for dreams and moving forward, you know, or something.
Coach need a coach, right? I'll never stop having people that help me. And it is, you know, there is a mindset and investment in it, but you do move forward when you have people that not only you keep yourself accountable, but other people, you know, are helping you move past your blind spots and helping you go past your current limits or even things that you don't realize are limitations.
Yeah. Yeah. For me, the difference between sort of psychology counseling or, and coaching is. Basically, psychology is, at least at the moment, is still focused on getting people out of mental illness to just neutral, and then coaching, although, you know, you will deal with we will deal with trapped emotions and stuff from the past, but it's more Looking toward the future and more on the positive psychology side, which is over the last 20 years or so becoming more popularly studied [00:18:00] within psychology itself and psychology research, but I think coaches are at the forefront of.
Moving people from neutral to like from let's say Psychology is moving you from negative 10 to 0 And then coaching is moving you from 0 to 10. What happened with me is I kept getting counseling and getting to 0 That wasn't good enough for me and I was getting depressed just because I didn't have direction until I found a coach I found wow, that's what I needed.
That's my problem. I didn't need more Counseling Psychology counseling. I mean, needed some coaching to move forward.
Yeah that's a great way of putting it. I agree. And I sort of, yeah. And I, I do, I think that there are some emotional elements of coaching, but I always tell my client it's more like a slingshot, right? Like I bring you back to like, you know, shift, whatever needs to shift from, you know, whatever belief you had that could be linked to your past.
And then you get to slingshot forward, you know? So it's like quicker. We're not, you know, staying back there. That's not the purpose of coaching. So I totally agree [00:19:00] with you. I very much believe I hope I haven't come across in the, you know, like 17, 18 episodes as being anti psychology, I'm, as in like psychological counseling, I very much believe in it when it's needed.
I think that it can be overdone to the point where people are actually strengthening the neural connections to the negativity in their past by talking about it over and over again. And really what they needed. Do now is moved towards the future. So yeah, anyway, no, I agree. I don't think I'm not down talking it But I also think that coaching is valuable.
Once you get to a certain point how do you help a client identify And their potential identify and unlock their potential Especially when they're unaware of it themselves Yeah, so typically when it comes to beliefs you know, I, when I work with that the client you know, we look at some of their beliefs and pain points and we identify some of the [00:20:00] views such as like, I'm not enough.
And from that, you know, there's the reframing and it's really looking at different activating different parts of your brain, the logic, the emotional, the vision. You know what I do then I lost you for a second there. You just said vision and then I lost you for Okay, so vision and then let me think logic vision emotion And then also just looking at you know, what is how do I take action? So different parts of the brain I help them think of well one thing You're past some of these beliefs, how would life look, right?
So we're starting to look at what did, you know, and that could be hard because if you're always thinking from the viewpoint of like, you know, I'm not enough and all that stuff. It may take a moment for you to be like, well, what would that be like if I didn't have that? Right? What would it feel like emotionally if I didn't have that?
So I started helping activate and unlock the brain. So they start thinking about what they really want to feel. And then once we go through, which I call the cognitive [00:21:00] release map, that helps them rewire their brain. So once they are, they totally shift from, okay, I am actually enough, right? They start believing it.
I'm like, okay, so now that you are. If you are believing this, right, we're partnering with that, you actually do believe it, they don't have that weight of the past, then we start looking at, okay, what was your vision, right? What's one step you can take towards your dream, right? So we kind of look at what is your actual goal, and then what's one small step, because I, the brain needs simple, right?
So if I'm wanting to write a book, right, I can be overwhelmed, but it's like, well, what's my first step? One of my first steps might just be, you know, within this week, I'm going to, you know, identify a title, right? Or I'm going to write a simple outline, you know, for chapter one. So I help them break down into a simple step that's possible, right?
Based on their baseline, if they have nothing. And so that's the way that we can unlock a potential because, you know, it's not only locking potential, but they're actually taking action towards it, which makes it more, you know, you know, From [00:22:00] potential to action, right? To the actual reality of their dreams.
100%. Yeah, once you've got in this example, something down on paper, that, that's And infinite difference from nothing.
What are some common challenges that you've noticed over the last three, four years that you are, that you've been officially calling yourself a coach? What are some common challenges that your clients face and how do you help them through those obstacles? Great question. The common obstacles would be Once the belief system is shifted, then it's, okay, how do I you know, because once the belief is shifted, okay, I have my goal.
If they get stuck in their goal, typically if we get stuck in a goal, right, so if I, my goal, for example, is I'm going to write three times a week, and they're not. then what I typically do is say, I'm like, okay, well, what, you know, the avoidance, right? Is it that, you know, time management, like what's going on, you know, focus, like, did something happen?
But typically, if none of those [00:23:00] things are happening, or if they are, then I'm like, okay, well, what's the, then we go back to that belief thing, right? We're like, okay, well, what is it, the same belief, right? you know, is there something more to that? Which usually there is you know, some other underlying beliefs.
Or, you know, we go we, and we dive deeper. So we get to like, okay, you already dealt with this event, right. Or this thing was holding you back. And maybe the next thing was, okay, like, I didn't realize it, but I had this thing. You know, thing that happened to me in high school and I didn't think I was a great writer.
So now I, all of a sudden I'm, you know, I feel like I can't do that because I get to this point and then I stop. Right. So it's a memory from the past that again, right. We shift that belief. So a lot of times that I find is the challenges we get through beliefs, but then there might be something deeper.
And that's why I say I pull up the roots. I'm healthy roots. That's my coaching business. And it's, we got to get to the root of it and uproot it. The whole route, right? So that you can actually have your new thinking and go [00:24:00] forward. And so I guess that's one of the biggest things is, I always know that behind someone not moving forward is that there's still beliefs that are holding them back.
And you have to get to all the different factors that are driving that. Contributing to it. And it doesn't have to take forever, but we want to get to it so that you can actually completely pull it out. You know, because if you're, if you think about it, old trees, and that's like probably one of my favorite premises.
A tree is like a rain, right? So, and so when you have an old tree and you haven't taken out all the roots from the ground and you try to plant a new tree in that same place, it won't happen. And so we actually have to get to it. All the roots uprooted or it can impact my client, you know, somebody later So I find that a client start to go back into Something where they stop it there.
It's always a belief. So that's usually where we start and that's usually how we break through
So it's all not It's almost always something deeper in the [00:25:00] roots
And then so then you're Clients would generally it sounds like you, together, or you'd have them come up with some kind of homework. Have they chosen, I'm going to write three times a week? Yeah, so typically I'll have them identify something, you know, and if it's something lofty, for example, right, if you're in, Perfection, you might say, oh, I have to write five or six hours a day, right, for three times a week.
And I say, okay, where are you now, right? So we kind of work through what's practical, you know, what will feel good, and what's intentional, because sometimes we forget the practical intentional, and if you want to go from zero to six hours, Kind of like a marathon, you know, if you haven't ran at all and you want to run 13 miles, it's probably going to be really hard, you know, like you may not make that a goal because it's too much.
So I do help them set those goals, you know, in a great way. And I do help them think about what are the small steps in between to get there. And that usually is very helpful because, you know, I'm all about practical. I'm all about simple and the brain is so, you know, when it comes to that kind of [00:26:00] stuff that's part of it.
And then if they had something like, I am not enough. For their deeper dive, you know, resource that I give them, it's always related to whatever we were focused on. So if it is about not being enough. I do have a coaching reflection that I adapt for each of the beliefs. Sometimes I do have like a questionnaire or questions I give them.
You know, sometimes it's a different activity that I help them go through some more cognitive mapping you know, or really shift in their brain skill. Sometimes it's, You know, helping them identify a schedule, right? If we went through it to continue to do that or extension of one of the things we've did so that they can go back and review it.
So it really is tailored to the person, you know, their brain style, their thinking style, and what they want to get out of the sessions and depending on the topic that we're focused on. Excellent. Well, it's okay. Let me just ask you one Other question here. What what is one piece of wisdom that either you or some other people have noticed that you're constantly sharing with anyone who will [00:27:00] listen?
Sure. I think my big, my biggest wisdom is probably, In my life, I've done it because I'm the type of coach that I model what I say, you know, I'm not going to tell you that I'm doing things that I'm not doing. And so the biggest thing for me is that it's a daily practice. You know, where am I at with my thinking?
You know, what is some, what are some of the blockers? And I take time each day. It's part of my routine, you know, part of my lifestyle really more than routine. Of checking in, you know, with me. Okay, so where are some of my goals? You know, am I accomplishing them? You know, and so I always tell people that taking time each day to think about what you're thinking about, which is metacognition, which is pretty much what I do in coaching for people and help them do Your, when you stop and think about what you're thinking about, it's going to help you to really take the time to identify reveal, heal, and release the thought [00:28:00] patterns, the beliefs, and even the emotions that are holding you back so that you can actually do your goals.
So my biggest thing is think about what you're thinking about so that you can move forward. That would be my, in a nutshell, statement. So how much time each day do you devote to that? Right now, like I have different segments because I feel like for regularity, right, because we're talking about that emotional regularity, I feel like it could be like two to five minutes, you know, in the morning, every couple hours, and there's intentional things I do, to really check in, right, so it doesn't have to take hours.
hours long. There are different practices I have, you know, with writing, but when I notice that I'm have, I'm feeling more anxious or stressed then I know there's something going on with my beliefs. You know, what is going on? What am I thinking about and what's causing that stress? And what am I believing in the moment?
So that two to five minute brain Poop each morning. Are there certain questions you ask yourself [00:29:00] or Are there certain questions you ask yourself or what's the practice? Yeah, good question. So, you know, depending, you know, you know, the cognitive release map, right, that's kind of a visual type thing. But if you're like thinking you're not enough, right, and people usually get the statements in their belief systems, I usually may say, okay, let's say for example, how about Recently or last year, I was going through, okay, I deserve great things, but I didn't believe that.
Right. There was something that was tied to certain things with my value. Right. And I didn't know that statement was there and it was a high pain point. So what I did was I took a moment and I was like, okay, like I said, I deserve great things. And I sat in that. I didn't look, I didn't write it out. I said it.
And I wanted to feel in my body, in my mind, Is that painful? Right? And that was, I was like a high 10 pain point. So after that, then I took a moment and I identified, well, what are their beliefs? Like, why did I believe that? Right? So I don't deserve great thing. [00:30:00] Okay. Like, you know, I wasn't valuable at this time, right.
Or this happened. And I started to think of other beliefs. Like I might not be good enough or this, stuff, right? Like I'm not valuable. And those things were like other branches to that. And so I started to identify those and I was like, well, what do I really want to believe? Right? Why would I deserve great things?
And I started to write out what I really wanted, my power statements of what I really want to believe, right? And I didn't really, I didn't have the emotional capacity for those yet, but I still did that. And then I started to use, like, techniques such as you know, like, I'll visualize, okay, well, what do I need to give away?
Right? Like, this is just a simple one. I have many, but a simple one might be, okay, well, what do I need to give away, right? Or release you know, to somebody, or maybe put in the garbage, right? If you will, visually and release that. And so I started. And then after that, you know, it's more of like I say it again, I'm like, I deserve great things.
And I see is the emotional distress [00:31:00] is high. Did it get lower? Right? Did it shift? And then if that is, you know, I mean, and usually it does, but if it's a little lower, I know that there's still more processing and I might do it later that day. Right. Or I might do that same activity Or one of the 20, you know, different things, depending on what's going on that I use, you know, for it.
But that's one that I think is more, I mean, simple that helps my brain know, okay, you know, I can give a little bit away, you know, or it's okay to kind of see what am I really thinking? Cause I think we try to shy away from the negative, but honestly, when you reveal things that are negative, it's to heal.
When you try to hide the negative, it's really hard to heal because. You're not really, you know, you're not uncovering it. And so I found that like when I uncover the things I'm really thinking, it helps me actually move forward. That's fantastic. I really love your analogy of, you know, the digestive system, because, yeah, generally, if you're regular, you're going once a day at least.
So, and it reminds me of Zig Ziglar an [00:32:00] old motivational speaker. He said some, sometimes, or often people would say to him, I'm already, You know, this motivation stuff is great, but it doesn't last. And you say something like, yeah, neither does showering. That's why we recommend doing it daily. Same thing.
Yeah. Yeah, let's just listen to this message from King gene 
Shout out to the room. Great show. Great topic. Great insight. One question would be, what would be the foundations of how. Perfection is measured.
Good question. Do you have anything for that? Dr. Amanda? Yeah, that's a great question, King Jean, and thanks for waiting for an answer. I would say it just, it's not that it, so the answer will vary depending on what the perfection is, right? So, for example, perfection If it's about writing, right, there might be scales of like, how are you thinking?
So for me, for perfection, it's like, I have to get it right. So I typically have you identify. You know, why are you thinking you have to get it right? So 10 is a high pain point, [00:33:00] zero, not right. Or I have to perform to get X to hear X, Y, Z. And so, you know, usually my scale is like from a zero to a 10, you know, where I help you identify when you say it, is it painful?
Cause you don't believe it. Is it painful because, you know, emotionally it brings up something you know, or in your in it. So, you know, that's kind of like my range for like how to identify that. And for some people, right? Because some people are more logical or emotional or they don't like scales.
I usually say, okay, low, medium, high, right? So like when it comes to a certain area, whether it be creating or writing, or maybe you have a dream or vision or business idea. you know, what is the area that is holding you back? And then we get to like, what is your statement, right? What is the deep core belief you have about perfection and how does that make you feel?
And that range is what I usually go by for that. Because once you identify that and once we do the work, then that perfection may have, will definitely shift that belief. So I don't know if that [00:34:00] helps, but that's kind of how I look at it is like how high Of a pain point, is it when you say it when we start versus when we end and I really depends on each area that we're dealing with perfection.
Thank you. Dr. Amanda and King gene. If you have any follow up to that, you can put it in. Well, I'm asking 2 final questions of Dr. Amanda and we'll follow up after that. So, Dr. Amanda, these last 2 questions are really, Just to make sure that we've covered as much as we can in the hour. So if your answer is no to either one of them, that's perfectly fine.
And if you have something that's good as well. So, number 1, is there anything that we started talking about that you didn't get to say as much as you wanted to, because we headed off on a different direction and had a little tangent. Huh, I don't know that I did. I think we really addressed, you know, a lot of the core, such as core beliefs, you know, and I went over the top two, and if you missed, you know, if any of you missed that, you might want to go back and listen, but I talked about, you know, the two of, I can't [00:35:00] have to get it right, and I'm enough and even some examples.
So I'm, I feel very confident with being able to answer and your excellent questions. Jeremy, thank you. Thank you. And is there anything about you, your philosophy or, and your work? So you, your philosophy and your work that I didn't even know to ask that you would think would be a glaring omission when it comes to a survey of the life and work of Dr.
Amanda Hellman. You know, that is a good question. Now that you, when you're asking it that way, I think the biggest core, you know, I talked about philosophy, but I would say the biggest thing I want people to feel in my presence at all times is feeling safe, right? Safety is key, feeling loved. seen and heard.
I think those are big values for people. And what I've also found is that I want to make sure when it comes to coaching or even just having conversations with people that I'm present but that it's a good fit for myself and for them, you know, [00:36:00] like there's so many different, amazing coaches out there.
And I know. Right. That I really help people with results and outcomes and shift their beliefs. But I also know that I'm not the only person, right, that can bring that. And I know that each coach brings something unique. And I think for me, the biggest thing that I love to do is empower people, but I want people to take that moment to take those times to stop.
And actually, sometimes you have to sit in some things. And then through that you get to release that and you come out and say, wow, you know, I, you know, the greatest thing for me is watching and like a session, having people come in and being like, oh my gosh, like, you know, not feeling like I'm enough.
Like I felt that my whole life, you know, and then they identify other statements with it and bought in 20, 15, 10, 15, 20 minutes, depending on the person. It's it, they're like, Oh my gosh, I don't believe that anymore. I don't believe those statements. And they're totally shocked, you know, and then they can actually start moving forward and they don't have that old weight of, I'm not enough.
They start, you know, speaking, they [00:37:00] start being confident. They start realizing their worth. And to me, there's no money. That can buy the countenance of people's faces or even them shifting and seeing them go from, you know, this like heaviness of life to starting to be like a tree of life, you know, to start thriving.
And it's just from these shifts and beliefs that they didn't even realize they had. It is absolutely amazing how quickly some of these coaching techniques can make these kinds of changes in belief systems. And it needs to be studied a lot more in the field of psychology. I actually have a psychologist had a psychologist a number of years ago who used these coaching techniques.
And when I first started talking to him on our first session, I asked something about If he was going to send a letter to my doctor something, and he said, Oh, that's normally after six sessions. And I don't normally need that long with people. And I was like, Oh, my God, what an arrogant prick or whatever, [00:38:00] but but with these sort of coaching techniques within one session, Everything had changed in my belief system.
So it, yeah, it's amazing how much quicker these and again, psychology is great. If you're mentally Ill go see a psychologist. However, sometimes what you're needing is actually this positive moving forward and dropping those beliefs, which can be done quite quickly sometimes. Dr. Amanda.
What was I gonna say? Oh, yes, you just said that, yeah, you're not the only one. There's lots of different coaches out there. That's the thing. In psychology research, there was a study several years ago where they pitted the four or five coaches. Top different models of psychological counseling against each other to see which one did the best.
And there was no significant difference. They all did just as well as each other. But what they did find was when there was a good therapist client alliance, that was when there was success and people have changed. So that's [00:39:00] podcast because two reasons. Number one, Everyone can listen and glean something out of all the different kinds of coaches and all the different modalities and whatever.
However, the second reason is so people can hear the coaches have conversation and see who they mesh with, people who are actually looking for a coach. So for those who have heard you today, Dr. Amanda, and they're like, I need her in my life to help me move forward. How do they find you? Yeah. So I have a website.
And it's www.healthyrootsllc.com. And Sorry, can you help, can you spell that Healthy? Yeah. Root R. The healthy OOT. Yeah. The Healthy and then Roots, R-O-O-T-S llc.com. Healthy Roots llc.com. Yep. So I have a website, and then my email is simply amanda@healthyrootsllc.com.
Fantastic. Anything else you wanted to share? Yeah, and I do have clarity calls. You know, so if you ever were [00:40:00] interested, I usually have a survey, you know, or form, but I do have 30 minutes where people can meet with me, you know, and identify some things you know, what's going on, like, what do you want, and I share, like, some of what I do, and, you know, see if it's a good fit, and so that's something complimentary for people.
Because I really am a big believer that I want to meet the person meet me and see if that is a good fit before you move forward. And really start to build, you know, that trust and see how is that relationship because like you said, you know, that relationship is so key and it's important that both people, you know, find that to be a good fit to move forward.
Fantastic. And I'll cut this out if I'm wrong, but I believe from seeing some of your stuff on YouTube, do You are a Christian and you work, do you work with Christians more than anybody else or, yeah, so I, I am a Christian, but I do work with people of all backgrounds. You know, I tend to have a lot of Christian women 'cause I work with a lot of authors.
[00:41:00] But you know, all of my degrees are from secular places. I've always worked in the secular, you know, workforce and I've had people of all different backgrounds, you know, of all different beliefs that have, that I've worked with and they've all found really great results. So I'm open to People of all kinds of different backgrounds excellent.
So I just wanted to point that out. So if Anybody that feels like you've messed with dr. Amanda great I just wanted to point that out in case you're a christian then you may especially want To contact dr. Amanda When they're a Christian, does that come into your cooking? So I usually ask people, you know, I say that I could work in either faith based or, you know, not.
And so I always check in with people, you know, to see what they're comfortable with and what they prefer. And I think that's important, you know, because wherever you are in your journey, I want to honor that. And I'm able to still use my techniques because I have, you know, education background, as well as, you know, I just have very different [00:42:00] background.
So I find that I can work with people of all kinds of different backgrounds. Fantastic. Well, thank you, Dr. Amanda. That was a fantastic conversation. And I hope that I talk to you again soon. Yeah, thank you so much, Jeremy, for having me. Take care. I forgot to say my links are all found at JeremyWest.
net, including the link to this podcast,
Thank you, Dr. Amanda. Thank you. Take care.