jeremywest&cerabyer
Jeremy: [00:00:00] Welcome to Conversations with Catalysts. I'm your host, Jeremy West.
Today. I have with me Cera Byer Cera. Welcome to the podcast. Hi. Thank you for having me Thank you very much for coming on. Can you start out by just giving me and my listeners a little overview of who is Cera Beyer and how did you come to the world of coaching?
Yeah, absolutely. So just basic things. I am from California. I'm from the Bay Area. I now live in LA. And for most of my adult life, really, from the time I was in my late teens until just a handful of years ago, the majority of my career was in dance and performing arts. So both in teaching and performing and.
When you grow up in arts, just like if you grow up in sports, coaching is just a normal part of your life. You're always getting coached and there's this kind of mindset and approach that's drilled into you of like constant improvement, being normal and [00:01:00] like being your goal. And so growing up, I always had coaches, in, in my arts life.
And then in my twenties, I worked with life coaches and business coaches. Because in my dance life, I was entrepreneurial. I owned a dance studio. I found an art gallery. I've done a lot of different types of work as an adult, but never, for the most part, never having a day job. And about almost 10 years ago, I got certified in life coaching, but I had already been a certified personal trainer, a healthy lifestyles and habits coach, a bunch of things that kind of go alongside of working in dance and movement.
And then I got certified Life coaching, NLP success coaching. And I originally started my coaching business thinking I was going to mostly be working with other people in dance and in the arts. But what I learned [00:02:00] from many years of teaching, in the creative process space is that most of the time the things that people needed help with didn't really have anything to do with dance.
Like everyone's questions are like, who am I to do this? Is it boring? Does anyone care? How do I charge for this? Can I really put this out there? What if people don't like it? How do I lead a group without ever making anyone mad at me, which is impossible. And like those kinds of things where I realized like, This doesn't really have anything to do with dance.
I could help people with these topics in any area where someone is creating something that matters to them and feels, insecure about it. And also in any area where people are really good at something, but they don't really know much about business and kind of feel turned off about the business side of what they want to do.
And so I really stepped into doing this full time. I started the business nine years ago and I stepped into doing it full time in 2019. Fantastic. So do you find are most of your clients [00:03:00] still creative types or tell me, give me a little bit of a picture of your yeah, your standard client, not that everyone's an individual, but you know what I mean? Absolutely, yeah, I tend to work with creatives I call them heart centered service providers, so sometimes coaches, but like dance movement therapists, yoga therapists, Reiki practitioners, massage therapists, Pilates instructors people who have spiritual type businesses, so readers and mediums.
People who most of their work is centered around helping people, those tend to be the people that I work with. Okay, so it sounds like it's more teachers here or coaches, or that's somebody who's helping others. Yeah. Education sort of role, or coaching, or yeah. Okay. And what would you say is the core philosophy behind your coaching, if You put it in just a few sentences.
Yeah. I think [00:04:00] I have more than one, but I, first of all, my business is called intuitive edge and people talk a lot about what your competitive edge is, but I actually think that our intuition is our competitive edge. I think your intuition is your competitive edge in art. I think it's true in business.
I think it's true in life. But many of us are very disconnected from our intuition, but that's the thing that can't be copied and it's the thing that can't be taught, right? Anyone can follow a formula. Anyone can execute a strategy. Anyone can work off of someone else's blueprint, but your intuition Your instincts, your ability to listen to your own inner knowing and your gut, your sense of timing, your sense of what's really going to work.
That is innate to you and that cannot be copied. It can only be honed, expressed and experienced. So what that ends up translating to in my work is helping people really. get in touch with and act on [00:05:00] their own intuition. And that might sound like a gimme or like a fluffy thing to say until we consider that most of us don't put our own inner knowing at the forefront of our decision making, especially when we're going into business, we're thinking, What should I do?
What would somebody else do? What do my mentors do? What is my family going to want me to do? What are other people going to think of this? What are people going to like this? And we're putting all of our thought process around what we think other people are going to think or what we've been told will be successful.
versus what our inner knowing says is the right move and shifting into relying on Ourselves and on our inner knowing and on our gut is a process for most of us that takes a tremendous building of self trust to be able to do Yeah, a hundred percent. So tell me a little bit about how you help someone to get [00:06:00] in touch with their own intuition.
That is where it gets very individual because that starts with where have you lost track of it? And what is your actual life like? What was your upbringing like? What are your relationships like? If I'm doing this with someone who has say a lifetime history of People pleasing and codependency. It's going to look very different than somebody who has a lifetime history of maybe being Like a type a high achiever So that process is where things get more individualized But so much of it Is about questions, right?
I think good coaching is about asking questions and having someone who's available to ask you the type of questions you're not able to ask yourself. And we're not able to ask them to ourselves because there's that phrase, you can't read the label from inside the bottle, the things that we think, the things we believe, the way that we think the world works.
Most of the time, they're pretty, Locked in and we don't think to [00:07:00] question them. It takes having someone come in from the outside. Who's really listening to you to pause you and go, wait, that thing right there that you just said, what do you mean by that? Or, what do you really want to do? What feels really important to you in this?
What is bothering you about this situation? How would you want to handle this? If you weren't worried about how so and so would react, what would you do? And leading them there. And so I'm going to go through the types of questions that they may not have been asking themselves and starting to show them, it's funny, this is a recurring dream motif, but if you could imagine That you've been living in a house your whole life and all of a sudden you just turn and look to the right And you realize there's a whole wing of the house You never noticed before and you've just never gone in that wing I feel like that's something that happens like as people are going through this they like Suddenly realize there's this whole way of being in their life that they just haven't been Accessing that is available to them and start opening themselves up to it Yeah, that when you talk [00:08:00] about that you can't read the label from the inside and and it takes someone questioning from the outside.
It reminds me of a time. I had with a client where I work with people who are recently out of long term relationships and so she was telling me. I don't have any feelings for him anymore. I'm over that relationship and then she started describing how angry she was at him and I was like is anger a feeling?
And she realized she did have feelings for him. They just weren't love feelings and she wasn't over, over it. But Can you? Yeah, because everyone's such an individual, as you say and the process of helping people find their intuition is very individual without using. Any real names. Could you give us a bit of a success story of someone who started working with you and couldn't tap into their intuition and then what happened along the way and where they ended up?
Yeah. What's actually coming to mind and [00:09:00] I hope that it's okay if I veer a little bit. It's like current clients that I'm working with now. And I will say that with life coaching, it's different than with business coaching, but I'll give a couple of different examples. So in business, what this looks like a lot is People who build businesses where the way that I've been thinking about this recently is that so often we get the instruction to build a business and to operate inside our zone of genius.
I'm sure you've heard this before. Be in your zone of genius. But for a lot of the people I work with, their zone of genius is so important. Large. There's a lot of things that they're good at. There's a lot of different skills that they've cultivated. There's a lot of things that they are, good enough at that they could charge money for.
And so say you built a business and your questions as you were starting were this is the thing that I, I'm certified in this or I have a degree in it. People always ask me for help in it. People tell me I'm so good at this. People tell me I would be so successful at this or this was the thing [00:10:00] that I thought would be the most lucrative and the safest bet.
And so I built my business doing this thing and it is successful. And then they get to a point where they're like, okay, so I built this successful business and I'm not happy here. I don't love this. I'm not excited by it. And then all of a sudden they feel resentful and they can't figure out why, or they find that they don't want to market their programs.
They're sick of it. They don't want it. They are like, for some reason they're like, I don't, I can't figure out what's going on or they are marketing, but they're not getting the results they used to get. And people aren't signing up anymore. And it's because there's this energetic disconnect where inside they're like, Oh, I actually.
don't want to do this. And so what happened is you built a business inside a zone of genius for you, maybe a zone of excellence, but it wasn't your zone of highest excitement. It wasn't the thing that lit you up. It wasn't the thing you're the most passionate about or that you're the most driven to spend time in.
It was what you thought would be the most successful. [00:11:00] And so there's a shedding process of first of all, recognizing, okay, What is it you really want? And I've worked with people to go, Oh yeah, I built this business and it's working and I know that I could drop an offer tomorrow and a bunch of people would sign up for it.
But then I wouldn't want to serve those people cause I don't actually want to do this anymore. I don't love this thing. I actually want to do this fully different thing and I'm scared to do it because Now I know that this one offer I have is safe and it always sells. And what if I offer my new thing and it's not as safe and it doesn't sell and what it like, it feels too risky.
And I'm going to have to go through losing people because there are people who only follow you for this one thing who are going to leave when you change course. And so I've worked with people on first recognizing why it is that they've gotten to a point where you've built a business, but you don't really love it anymore.
And what it would look like. To think about what you [00:12:00] really, genuinely want to do. And then to work through all the fears that come up around, what if I change direction and I lose some things? And then slowly starting to put out the feelers into, moving in that new direction. And then what always happens is, you lose some people and other people are really excited and other people come with you and other people join and you show yourself that it's okay to pivot and it's okay to change directions and then you feel more confident to keep moving along the path of doing the thing that you really want to do.
So that's, I give a very generalized story without giving details of someone's business, but that's something that I've helped someone do, help multiple people do in their business when they're more established. On the life coaching side, it can look a lot like. For adults who grow up people pleasing, I've had people come to me, especially in their mid to late thirties or early forties, where they realized that they've spent their whole life doing what other people wanted them to [00:13:00] do.
They were a straight A student and they were, a good kid and they did everything that they were supposed to do at home. And then they went to college and they got the degree and the thing that was going to be really lucrative. And then they got the good career and they got married and they got the house.
And then they look around and they're like, I don't even know what I like. I don't know what I'm like. I don't know what I'm like. I've spent my entire life doing everything everyone else wanted me to. And now. I'm sad and I'm resentful. I have a lot of anger. I'm just not happy. I'm depressed. Maybe I'm like reading all these self help books and I think I'm the problem.
I feel ungrateful. I can't figure out what's wrong with me. Why am I not happy for this life? And working with people to understand like, You're not doing anything wrong and it's not that you're ungrateful or unappreciative of the things that you have But after a lifetime of doing what everyone else wants you to do Yeah You are really disconnected [00:14:00] From who you are and what you like and what you want and you do feel scared That if you start embracing those things other people around you are going to notice that something's different and they may not like it.
So much of it is about building the confidence to handle that when you change, there are going to be people who don't love it and you're going to lose some people and that has to be okay for you to get more in touch with who you are and what you really want.
Good. Okay. So with all the different individuals you work with on both sides, with the coaches and with the,
What would you say are the, you described two different sides of your business, different types of clients. Yeah. Oh, can you describe those two different types of clients again? Oh so yeah, I think I did. Are they two different types of clients or they just, I don't know, just now you Yeah.
Bye. Maybe that's it. Yeah, maybe two different types of problems. You were just because you just gave [00:15:00] two different two different stories basically so yeah where there's two different problems Maybe I think they are the same problem to me. They're the same problem, right? Which is just like I am not currently Living the way that I want to live, doing the thing that I want to do, and I can't figure out why, or how to get back in touch with that, and then going through a process of figuring out why and getting back in touch with it, and then in terms of The success of it, the success is that on the other end, you're happy.
The success is that on the other end, you feel like more of yourself, right? So on the business side, that success might be, you started offering the thing you really wanted to, and people who are adopting it and saying, yes, I want this. And you're like, confirmed in yourself that the thing you want, that the thing that you care about, Is viable does work and you get to feel like more of yourself.
You get to start enjoying your work again on the life coaching side. That's what it was. Yeah. It [00:16:00] was business coaching versus life coaching. Yeah. Yeah. And on the life side of it, it's that you start to have more, and we're really on both sides of it. It's about having more fulfilling relationships because when you are living your life.
By what you think other people want from you, and you're not that happy, your relationships actually make you more lonely. Because you feel like all that people want from you is something that's not what you want to give. And when you start really expressing yourself the way you want to, having the type of boundaries you want to have, doing the things you want, saying what you really want, expressing your true likes and desires and dislikes, and, You might lose some people, but the people you gain Know you for you and like you for you and accept you for You feel more seen you feel like more of yourself in the world You feel safer to be who you really are instead of constantly living your life from this place of What do other people want me to do?
Yeah, this is actually have you heard the [00:17:00] saying? The quote you're not who you are You think you are, and you're not who other people think you are. You're who you think other people think you are. I love that. And that's how most people act, is they act the way that they think other people think that they are.
And I want to move them to the Dr. Seuss quote of, Say what you feel and do what you want, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Yes, I love Dr. Seuss and think my favorite book, it's not even just my favorite children's book, it's my favorite book is Oh, The Place Is Your Go.
Yeah. What was I gonna, I don't know. Ask so with the what would you say are? Oh, I know what I was going to say as I've been doing all these episodes I think this is 16 or 17, whatever it is I've realized when I first started coaching and I was trying to carve out my own niche. I was thinking about Calling myself an identity coach, but as i've just discussed coaching with 17 different coaches in all different niches I've realized that's what every [00:18:00] coach is.
An identity coach. It's all coming down to finding who you truly are and live, living as your true self. Yeah. So can you tell me some common challenges that your clients face, even though they're all individuals, what crops up with different people all the time?
I think all of it is fear, like that's just, all of it is just different flavors of fear. Because like lack of boundaries is fear and not wanting to market in your business is fear. And being worried that if you follow what you really want to do, people aren't going to buy it or aren't going to like it.
It's fear, right? Everything. It's pretty much that. I think that what we're all working with everyone on is always fear. Yeah. And how do you work through that fear with people? I, again, this is it depends on what it is and everything is a little bit different, but I think that one of the biggest problems I see across the [00:19:00] board.
And I'm going to try to say this in a way that makes sense because I think it applies to everything, right? It's not that this is different in business or in life. I think this applies to everything. I think that a common misconception in life is that you have to feel differently about something before you can take an action.
So if it comes to body image, people might be like if I loved myself. If I felt like I loved myself, then I would be kinder to myself and I would speak more nicely to myself and I would go to the gym and I would eat well. But right now I don't feel like I love myself, so I don't do those things. So I want to focus on changing how I feel about myself and then I will be able to do those things.
And then it might be, if I felt more safe with people, Then I would put myself out there more with my business and I would market more, but I don't feel safe to do that yet. So I want to work on feeling safe and then I'm going to take those actions, right? If I felt like other people would be cool about things, then [00:20:00] I would say no more often.
And I would set more boundaries, but I feel like people aren't going to be cool about it. So I'm not, I have to wait until I feel like it's safe. And then I'm going to do those things. So we think that we have to feel differently first, right? and then we'll be able to take action. And in some ways, I think that's, that can be the case, right?
If we're talking about be, do, have versus have, do, be as a framework. But I think what's more helpful is to consider that the way we feel is the result of what's happening in the world, right? So in the case of self love, it's like, Why would you feel loving towards someone who treats you like a, you're a chore and talks to you like shit and is mean to you and never takes care of you and neglects you?
We don't feel lovey dovey feelings toward people who treat us like that. It actually would go the other way. If you start speaking kindly to yourself and taking really good care of your body and feeding yourself delicious food and, [00:21:00] dressing yourself in a way that you like and taking yourself on dates, it's more likely that you're going to start feeling lovey dovey.
Good about yourself because you're being kind to you if you start Taking actions toward doing things that are a little bit scary for you right now While you're scared right instead of waiting until You're not scared anymore. Can you just acknowledge that fear is present and take the next right action and then show yourself, Hey, nothing terrible happened.
It actually was okay. And that gives me the confidence to try the next thing and the next thing and the next thing, right? That's what bravery and courage is. It's not the absence of fear. It's doing something while fear is present and then showing yourself you That you are able to handle challenges and the more you're able to handle challenges, the more confidence you have, that you'll be able to handle the next bigger challenge.
[00:22:00] And I think showing people that this idea that they have to wait until they feel 100 percent ready and 100 percent confident before they move forward is backwards and that a lot of the time we just have to accept that we might feel scared and that's okay and that is a perfectly normal human emotion and figure out how can I take the next step with the fear present and allow myself to see.
That competence will breed confidence and that confidence is going to grow my self esteem that self esteem is going to continue to grow my confidence that increased confidence and self esteem is going to allow me to be more self expressive and experience less fear that our emotional reality is going to change when we start taking The actions that will lead us toward the future that we want rather than thinking that we have to like Somehow perfect our internal world first and then take action [00:23:00] Yeah, that's it makes me think about the wizard of oz and particularly the books.
The or the book is much clearer on this than the movie is but the Cowardly lion Was always afraid, but he was always doing the things anyway, so he thought that he was cowardly, but the wizard was able to show him, no, you kept doing the things even though you were afraid, that's exactly what courage is.
Yeah and it reminds me also of motivation. People think that they need to wait until they feel motivated to do something, but motivation actually comes once you've started doing the smallest bit towards it that you can do when you're not feeling that motivated. Then the motivation starts coming as you start doing.
Absolutely. And I mentioned the BDUHAV versus HAVDUB framework. And just in case any of our listeners don't know what that is is it okay if I share a little bit about what that is? Yeah, thank you very much. I didn't catch you to, to say, please explain that. I was going to [00:24:00] actually actually quickly no, we'll go back to that, but I might have you explain NLP as well.
Go ahead with the BDUHAV and HAVDUB. So most people, many people operate from have, do, be, and I'm going to use a business example, which is if I had more money, then I would invest in a business coach to help me grow my business. And then I would be a successful business owner, right? So if I had the money, I would do this action.
And then I would be the kind of person who gets the results I want. That is usually backwards. So what we want to do instead is go be, do, have. If I was a successful business owner, What actions would I take? And that's going to lead me to having the result. So to start with, what is the identity of the person who does this thing?
The identity of a successful business owner is a successful business owner would invest in the coach, even if they had to get a grant for it, or maybe go into a little bit of debt for it, or put it on a payment plan because they [00:25:00] know that they are investing in their success. And that investment in their success is going to give them a return on And then when they do that action, they're going to have the result of the more money.
And so when we're thinking about these things that we want to do, sometimes an easy way to work it is to start with, Okay. Who do I want to be? Okay. I want to be this successful business owner version of myself, or I want to be this really expressed, outgoing version of myself. Great. Describe what that person would do.
How would they dress? How would they talk? How would they move through their day? What would they do in the morning? Where would they work? Who would they hang out with? What car, like every single thing you can think, list it all out. And then look at what would this person be doing day to day? And write that all out.
And then look at the list you made and say, okay, if I started doing these things, what's the likelihood that I would have the outcome I want? And usually you've just written yourself a straight up map of here to there. And if you can start doing those things, [00:26:00] you will start to have those results. And so it's allowing you to invert the process and start with becoming the version of yourself that you're trying to become rather than thinking, I need more resources first or I need more support first.
I need more proof that it's going to work first and then I'll take the action and then I'll be that kind of person. You just flip it the other way around. Yeah. Fantastic. And then, yeah, could you just give a little bit of an overview of what NLP means? Yeah. NLP is neuro linguistic programming and I just think of it as brain hacking.
It's a really wonderful way to work with people around their own brain. It is one of the techniques that I use with people. I also use EFT, emotional freedom technique, or tapping and some different breath work practices if I'm doing nervous system work with people. But NLP can be a really fast and easy way to [00:27:00] reroute something that you're experiencing.
Recently I was teaching a workshop. I can give you the link for this. It's called boundaries for business owners. And I led people through an exercise of something in their business that they were really scared to do. And we used an NLP technique that allowed them to, put themselves into visualizing, doing the thing that they're really scared to do and feeling really afraid and feeling really insecure about it.
And then shift over to. doing the thing, but they feel completely confident about it and it goes really well. And then using a technique to essentially make the visualization of the version where it goes really well, stronger than the one where it goes poorly. And then to check again and see, am I still afraid to do it?
And usually when we're using these techniques, they find it's like instant shift out of this emotion that felt so unmanageable or that it was really blocking them before into Oh, now it's. It's gone and I can take that action and I [00:28:00] feel good about it. So I love using NLP because it's sometimes something we can use to get a really quick transformation of a feeling state.
I think sometimes people think, Oh, I'm like in this big feeling and it's so hard. It's going to take months of deep inner work to get out of this feeling. There's a lot of different techniques out there that can allow us to do that. Jump that process and make it happen much more quickly. So NLP is one of the sets of tools that I use with clients when they're feeling blocked.
Fantastic. Thank you for that. Let's see. What would be, Cera, one piece of wisdom that you just find yourself consistently giving to whether it be clients, friends, family? What's one piece of wisdom you'll give anyone who will listen? I think that, and this is, maybe this is just personal to me, but I think that's something I talk to people about a lot is to try to. Zoom forward to the end of their life, whenever that might be, hopefully not soon, and [00:29:00] think back on the moment you're experiencing right now and ask yourself what would really be important here.
A lot of the times the thing that we're like agonizing over and spending a lot of time worried about It gets very clear when we're like, if I was dying today, would I be happy with the choice that I made? Would I feel like this was the right move for me? Would I regret not doing this? That is so clarifying.
And I think one of the biggest mistakes we can all make is living like we have forever. And we can always start tomorrow. And we can figure it out later. That it's okay to live in tolerating things, but not really being happy and not being really fully expressed and not really going after our dreams.
I think remembering that this life is so beautiful. remarkably short and very precious is really important. And helps us get more clear, more quickly on what really matters to us. So even if it means we're going to have to [00:30:00] Do a scary thing like quit a job or start a business or leave a relationship or have a difficult conversation with someone that's going to be a blip on the radar compared to the what comes after where you get to live a life that is more of what you want.
And to me, the thing that I'm always looking at is If, for whatever reason, I didn't wake up tomorrow, would I be happy that today was my last day? And if I can always say yes to that, then I know that I'm on the right track and that I'm living a life that's really mine and I'm being fully me.
And that, to me, is like what we're here to do. There we are back at the identity is really mine and I'm being who I'm meant to be something like that. Yeah, that's good. Now, we'll just end with 2 last questions and these questions. It's perfectly fine for the answer to be no. And it's also.
Perfectly fine. If there is an answer just it's just a way to make sure [00:31:00] we've covered everything. 1st question, is there anything that we started talking about that you didn't get to say as much as you wanted to? Because we went off on a tangent in a different direction. Oh, I wouldn't remember.
I have no idea. Yeah, me too. And the second question, is there anything about you that you, your philosophy and your work that I didn't even know to ask about that you think would be a glaring omission? In a survey of the life and work of Cera Beyer. I don't think there's anything you didn't ask, but I will share this because this is a practice that I'm stepping into.
I am realizing that for so much of my life and in my work in my business, I talk a lot about my clients and I talk a lot about the frameworks and I talk a lot about techniques that I use. But for a long time, I've never really just talked about like me and what's special about me as a coach and what I bring.
And I'm working on, I'm working on doing that. In the words of [00:32:00] Megan, the stallion, in the words of Megan, the stallion looking in the mirror damn, I don't brag enough. But I, I'm really just stepping into owning that There are a lot of coaches out there and there are a lot of people that you can work with but you end up choosing a coach really based on there being something about that person That is unique and that is special and I think that There are a couple of things about working with me that are unique and that are special One is that There's a way that I see people, that I see connections in things, that is, I believe, part of my magic, that is like a unique and inborn skill that can't be taught.
I make connections that other people don't make, I catch things other people don't catch, and it might be, A way that you breathed or tilted your head or crinkled your eyes on a call. It might be a kind of throwaway thing that you said that was a joke, but there's some things that I [00:33:00] catch and a frequent reflection I get back from clients that's I can't believe you even noticed that.
That helps us unlock the door into getting into something that you just never have gotten into before. And that is a unique gift that I have. Another is that I'm very psychic. There are just things that I know that I sense and again, I think that is a unique inborn ability that I have that I bring into the spaces that I'm in and the clients that I work with and I am very skilled.
I have this large toolbox. I have a lot of things that I'm trained and certified in. And so there are some coaches that just do, on the business side, they just do strategy and systems and marketing and like the how to do it. And there are some coaches that just do mindset. There are some coaches that just do nervous system and energetics, but I do all of it.
And it's because I believe that we really need all of it. And sometimes we need it at the same time, right? People cry when they're doing their taxes. It's not because of the [00:34:00] strategy of how to do taxes. There's something else happening and we need to be able to bounce back and forth between the how do we execute and what's going on the inside.
And I feel like I am really gifted at being able to bridge what's going on the inside with what's going on the outside to help people get the results that they're looking for. And, I'm just starting to own and say more Those are things that are just uniquely me that I bring to this work that I'm proud of.
That is such a fantastic answer to a question that I haven't formulated yet that I'm going to now for every other guest that I have. Thank you very much. And yeah. Is there anything else you wanted to share? Oh, yeah. Anything else before I get you plug where people can find you?
Yeah, I think we did it. Okay. Thank you so much for that little answer that you just gave because that's exactly Why I have this podcast there's two reasons one is so everybody can listen and glean little, [00:35:00] hacks and tricks and whatever from all the different coaches in all different areas however The other reason is because there are people out there looking for that person that's going to help them You Move forward and I want them to hear a conversation and get to know that the different coaches like yourself, Cera.
So those people that have been listening to this conversation and say, I need Cera in my life to help me move forward. How will they find you? Yeah, you can find me on pretty much all the things on the internet at intuitive edge coaching. So intuitive edge coaching. com is my website. I have a YouTube channel.
It's just intuitive edge coaching on YouTube. I'm on Facebook. I do have an Instagram though. I'm taking this year off of Instagram, which has been delightful, but there is a lot of content there. It's just at intuitive edge coaching. I have a podcast called the elemental entrepreneurship podcast And my name's C E R A [00:36:00] B Y E R.
I'm very findable. I'm in all the places and I have a lot of fun stuff going on and I would love to work with anybody who hears this and feels like I'm the person for you. I'd love to work with you. So your podcast is the only thing not called Intuitive Edge. Yeah. So Elemental Entrepreneurship is the framework that I teach business through.
So my membership is called Elemental Entrepreneurship, and that's also the name of my podcast. Cool. I love the name intuitive edge as well, because it describes to me, it describes you and who you are, and then it also describes what you're helping the clients find in themselves. Thank you. Fantastic.
 Thank you very much, Cera, for coming by and I will talk to you again soon. Thank you.