jeremywest&jaithomas.1
 [00:00:00] Welcome to Jeremy chats with coaches today. I have with me, Jai Thomas. Thank you for coming on Jai. Hi, Jeremy. Yes. Thanks for having me. Right. Thank you very much. Before we get started, can you just give me and my audience a little bit of an overview of who you are and how you came to the world of coaching?
Yes, no, no problems. Look I'm 50 years old. I've been divorced and remarried and a lot of my career has been in the corporate world running large projects and and basically into coaching. I've always been into self help books and trying to better myself for years, but. I think the main thing that really made a difference to me was a light bulb moment where I basically caused the family breakup and I was quite depressed and you know, beating myself up to be a hopeless dad and all of those negative things.
Talks and I went to a process and you know, [00:01:00] I, there was times where I was holding my 17, 17 month old son in the shower, just crying, saying, I'm sorry. And it all came back to my belief system. Of when I was a teenager and my parents broke up and all I saw it was as negative.
And and I got to a place of accepting that and moving on. But what I didn't realize when I went through my own breakup, I reverted back to all that negativity. And my mindset was really lopsided. And I went through a process that just cleared that guilt. I had so much guilt. I was riddled with guilt.
It just cleared that guilt of up there of 95 percent guilt down to like 0 percent guilt. And it was all about of me realizing, not people telling me, but going through this process where I had these lightbulb moments that just flashed and I could just see all the different benefits that actually, Came out of that breakup that I was referring to as a teenager.
So it took me from a level of accepting and [00:02:00] fast forward to a level of actually finding appreciation out of those events that were quite emotional. And out of that, there was so many other friends and other stories from football nights and so forth that we're going through similar things. And.
And I just found helping them, I got so much satisfaction myself knowing how much I helped them. I started to delve into that process and delve right into coaching. So that was really the turning point for me that got me into it. That's fantastic. So that process that you went through to remove that shame and guilt, was that with a coach of your own or how did you go through that process?
Yes, it was through a coach and the word that was used was equilibration, which was basically equilibrating all that negative energy that I had over that event and what I learned that Our neural pathways fire up and 80 percent of our belief system [00:03:00] really comes from those first zero to eight years of things that happen.
And just naturally as human beings, we Basically, Pigeonhole, even if it's a subconscious or unconscious moment or something that happens, we basically say, is this good or bad? Or is it, no matter what it is, we always pigeonhole either a positive or a negative. Happy or sad, all of those things.
And we all have, and we all have different belief lines and a level of where we judge something. And it was about rebalancing that and basically taking it back to a neutral state. So and that was done with a coach and I was just like, Oh, I've got to learn this process. So that's what I delved into learning that process taking that on further.
I acquired other. Tools and techniques that are just transformational and in clearing out trapped emotions, which is really what stops a lot of people from [00:04:00] reaching where they want to be in their lives. So I just found that, you know, just incredible that these tools are out there and taking that from, as I mentioned earlier, taking it from a level of accepting to appreciating that event.
That's yeah, that's fantastic. It's so would you say your clients then in general have been people that have gone through similar things as you or who are your clients? Yes, a lot of my clients, I'm kind of not wanting to have a specific niche. I have a lot of different clients, women and men, but in saying that a lot are men and a lot of men that have gone through similar things.
Similar experiences and that's what, why I really wanted to go to the next level. I had you know, two friends that were, you know, contemplating. Doing things serious with their depression and it was just like, Hey, I know I've got these transformational tools. I need to assist people. So I then delved in and got my certification back in 2015 and [00:05:00] yeah, just the satisfaction of knowing that you can assist people because a lot of people out there.
Don't realize so, in yeah, so that's what really got me going into it yeah, I feel like from my own point of view I was seeing Psychologists for years trying to deal with things and they would always get me to a level where, yeah, maybe I was no longer depressed, but I actually, I still was depressed because I didn't have I didn't have a forward plan.
It was all about, you know, clearing, there's clearing things up from the past, but I feel like coaching is in the realm of positive psychology, which is brand is. 10, 20 years that they've been really researching it within the psychology realm. And yeah, I feel like coaches right now are at the forefront of positive psychology.
Yes, absolutely. And you see people that have seen psychologists and other modalities like that for [00:06:00] years and through coaching. Some of these things can be identified and make a difference to people, you know, within one session. It's not something that, you know, if I'm seeing somebody and working with someone.
And we're not having any results, which hasn't happened, but if we're not having any results after several sessions, we were starting to say, well, are we a fit? Are we matching? It's not a matter of dragging it on, creating some more drama. And you know, before you know it you. If somebody's seeing a professional or a coach for years, I'm not a subscriber to that.
Oh, no. I mean, unless you're continuing to grow it's always more than because, yeah. But if it's dealing with all the same old things, then there's something wrong. Yes, that's right. So if you're continuing to grow you've got that, you've visualized that dream life of where you want, whether it's an overall, or you're focusing on business or family or relationships, whatever that might may be it's about assisting that person.[00:07:00] 
To I suppose bridge that gap and to get to that point, and it's about identifying we I really work into those deeper levels of what's that person's values, because a lot of time I find people think that's what they want to do, and when they get there, they're still unfulfilled. So it's about identifying what their, that person's true values are.
And those values really, they just sit in a hierarchy. So it's working with that person for them to identify. What their hierarchy is, and what are they getting from that? And then once they've identified that, it's seeing, well, what are the blockers? Are there any blockers? So, like we touched on the trapped emotions, limited beliefs, how many people have the self talk and say, I'm not good enough, I'm an imposter, I can't do that.
So all of that's just fear and it stops people from actually getting to that destination that they want. Yeah. So overall, would you say if you could boil it down into [00:08:00] one sentence or a couple of sentences, what would you say is the core philosophy behind your coaching? I think really what I've come to know or believe in my opinion, it's, it all comes down to mindset.
So mindset is absolutely massive. So my core philosophy is mastering your mindset. A lot of people will find it. A reaction, a reactional flipping about, they're not sure where they're going, maybe it's to do with the conflict in their values, so it's really master your mindset so you can manifest your dream life.
Yeah, okay, so it's all, it all comes down to mindset. Yes. Yeah. You boil it down to one word. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Short and sharp. Yeah. So, by following your coaching, Guy, what's the ultimate result that your clients end up with? So, it's identifying the first thing I like to do with my clients is. For them to pull out where they [00:09:00] believe maybe they're wanting more freedom, better relationships, all of those things.
So, my core belief or working with a client is first for them to find out what's that core value that they've got.
Can you hear me? So, it's it stopped it. What's that core value that they've got? Yeah, so we refer to it as a shadow value. So, people have values and, you know, it's nice statements of saying you know, I like to spend time with family and I like to go traveling and I, you know, I'd like to earn money to have a nice house and I value these things and that's all true and that's great.
But what we work a lot of it is all on feelings. So what's the actual feeling that you get from those things? And working with clients that, you know, I've assisted people who've been addicted to gambling and other things. And it was really, Going back to those feelings that could make a [00:10:00] difference.
So, a lot of people talk about, and it's funny because I don't mind playing some cards myself, but a lot of people talk about addictions and alcohol and drugs and so forth. It covers it is that's something that's going into the body, but I'm a strong believer. It's not that they're addicted to that they're addicted to the feeling and the sensation they get from it.
So similar to gambling, you're not putting anything into your body, but you're addicted to the feeling that you get from that.
And most of us. These days are addicted to the feeling that we get from a like or a comment on social media. Absolutely, because that gives them something, gives them attention, maybe a sense of belonging, all of those. And a little hit of dopamine. Yes, which is the same thing cocaine is giving you. So, yeah, and one of the I'd like to use Jeremy is cigarettes and you know, most people have either tried or do smoke or know [00:11:00] somebody and you know, cigarettes are a perfect example where, you know, Do they really like the cigarette?
It's something when they first have it, they're coughing and their eyes are watering, but people persist. And the reason they persist is because they want to be cool. They want to be part of the, part of that group they want to fit in. You know, it's comes back to that sense of belonging. So I'm a strong, I'm a strong believer of that's why we'll push through to get those feelings.
So those feelings can trump So it's about tuning in and with different tools and techniques can really elicit that with my clients so that they're aware of what's that underlying, is it you know, do they want to feel rebellious, do they want to feel superior have control in their life, all of those things that aren't bad, but it's they're being aware of it to know what you can tune into.
And use that as the fuel to get to your destination. It's so powerful. [00:12:00] Yeah, a hundred percent. I love shadow values. It it's something that I don't think I'd heard of until I was doing my coaching certification or no, actually I think my coach might've done shadow values with me before I did my coaching certification, but I found that mine are attention, superiority, and control.
These are things that you don't normally want to tell someone. I'm I have a value of being in control. I have a value of getting attention. Those. If you keep those hidden and push down, they will demand and, you know, you'll end up doing negative things for attention or negative things to be in control.
But if you just embrace those shadow values and do things like a podcast where you're talking to coaches and you're getting all this great information out to people, but you're also getting some attention or, you know, this sort of thing, then you can use your shadow values to get what you need, but also to be giving positively to the world.
Yeah. Yes, that's right. And a quick example, one of my clients who, he literally [00:13:00] has lost, he lost his marriage, his kids not talking, his house you know, he had a GPO where he's getting additional credit cards and used up his line of credit. He's just gambling. He went to all the gamblers anonymous meetings.
He hadn't gone more than two days of gambling, he'd literally walk out and go and gamble and I was like, well, what's the benefit you're getting from it? And he nearly wanted to hit me in the face. So he's like, what are you talking about a benefit? I'm not getting any benefit. I've lost this, I've lost that.
And we kept on drilling down and what came out of that is, that he was always being controlled in his opinion, being controlled by his partner. And when things happened, he felt like he had the authority and the control. And that was by gambling. So we started to elicit These things of what does he get?
What's what's his benefit of doing that? And that's when he realized he can just shut everything else out and working with those shadow values that was like, well, [00:14:00] what in the past, what other things have you done that have allowed you to feel in control and feel That you're able to make those decisions.
You've got that authority. And he went back and said, I used to always go out to the driving range and take, you know, 300 balls and just hit the ball. So, we worked out what his trigger was for the gambling and we basically, Substituted that in and, you know, we went through, I said, well, what was the feeling?
What were you getting when you were driving the car? And yeah, you know, he said, I'll get off on that first exit and go into the to the gambling venue and that's how we elicited it. And then it was a matter of, okay, when those triggers happen, instead, I want you to go to the golf course, get your 300 balls and go out there and he started.
Replacing different activities that gave him the same feelings and the first time that happened 138 days. had not touched any, anything. So he had a relapse. We went through it all again. And after three, three years he still hasn't gambled. So, that was one of my biggest [00:15:00] highlights that really reinforced the strength of tuning into those shadow go.
That's so good. And I think driving at the driving range in the long run is going to be a lot cheaper than gambling. Absolutely. A lot less destructive. That's good. And actually it's exercise too. Yes. What are some of the As you've been doing this what you say you were certified in 2015. Yes. So we're coming up on nine years now.
I know you coach all different kinds of clients, but have you noticed patterns of Common challenges that your clients face, and how do you help them through those obstacles? Yeah, I think the most common one is a lot of people have in their mind what they're wanting, so they can kind of picture that and we go through those exercises.
But the most common thing is really is the fear of taking those first steps.
How do you help them through that, Pierre? So, so there's a number, there's a number of tools, but one of them, which I [00:16:00] think you might be aware of, is that universal freedom technique. Which if there's trapped emotions holding them back, a lot of the time it's something that's happened and they're now scared to do that, whether it's relationships or letting go.
So we use those tools. I am familiar with it, but can you describe the universal freedom technique just a little bit for the audience? , yes, basically it's been used on thousands of people. And it's really about tuning into that energy. And what's good about this is it's not, you're not having to relive that moment.
So it's about tuning that into that energy. And seeing. And talking to that energy of what, what's that emotion there? What, why is it there? Is it there to serve me? What are the learning things I need from that? And being able to let that go. So you and you're basically have the intuition.
That's your own person that's feeling the emotion. Where is it located? And actually letting [00:17:00] go. And it's powerful. You can actually see the change in people's faces when it happens. It's amazing. You start with someone who, and you ask them to rate their problem on a scale of one to zero to 10 or whatever on how bad it is.
And it's usually a nine or a 10 if they're coming to us with this. And then by the end of the technique, which takes 30 or 40 minutes. They're saying it's a zero or one or two and it's just like, and they're just amazed and then yeah, they come back and it's still gone. Have you read the book Letting Go by David Hawkins, Dr.
David Hawkins? No, I haven't. It's it's just all about letting go of anything. It's, you know, very it's not Buddhist But but it's very Buddhist in its style, I guess, of learning to let go of everything, whether they're good things, positive or negative things, it doesn't matter. Just not holding on to anything really.
But anyway, he talks about how when you work with thoughts and you try to change your thoughts, there's thousands and [00:18:00] thousands of thoughts that might go with one emotion. You let go of that one emotion and you. Dealt with those thousands of thoughts, they just go as well. So that's it. I find that the universal freedom technique is amazing for that.
Yes, yeah, basically it's releasing that emotion. And what's great about it, people don't have to relive. Maybe a traumatic experience. So, yeah, but I don't even have to know what it is. That's causing don't even have to know what it is. It's causing that. Yes, and that's why I loved it because there's other tools and techniques where, you know, sometimes you may have to go there to assist that person to equilibrate.
Those emotions whereas this one not at all. And really those emotions. It's, yeah it's really powerful.
Good. Hey, 1 thing I like to ask is when you're when you finish something like the universal freedom technique with the client, do you normally give them some sort of homework between now and the [00:19:00] next session? So, what kinds of homework do you give out?
So, depending on the client, it's all about, I suppose, firing those neurons and sending light down down other pathways. So, there's specific homework, per se, for that. Really, but it's dependent on the client with their questions after certain things may come out of it.
So, it's really from the emotional side is for them to get value out of that. So, what the emotion comes for a reason. So, it's about identifying that.
Okay, so, so you find that you're able to deal with generally in the session and they don't, you don't need to give out any kind of homework or you generally do or no, well, really, it's not a focus on what's our objective. So we've cleared that out because there was a blocker of why you're not doing it.
So the homework is not about. Specifically that emotion because that motion is not troubling them anymore. And now we're focusing on where's our destination? Where [00:20:00] do we want to get to? Okay. So the next step, things that may come up after that is that we've cleared that emotion. But maybe they've got a conflict in their values.
So that, that's been something that we'd work on. So it's kind of dependent on, on, on the client. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's something that you generally would come up with them with them rather than you assigning something. Yeah. What's your strategy keeping them accountable after that is the, I find it's one of the biggest things.
And even for myself, when. I have accountability when somebody is there or you just, you know, might even be just logging your food because your target is to lose weight. Having that accountability to log the food makes an absolute massive difference. If there's no accountability there.
Then, that's when people can start going sideways from where their goal is, where they want to get to. So, accountability is massive and that's really the main things that come out of it after [00:21:00] that. And what is it that you do to hold them accountable? So, so one of the biggest things for me is I like to use the word inspire.
Rather than motivate, I feel it motivates, you know, you're cheering for your team inspiring. It's coming from them. And when it comes from them, they own it. And the biggest way I work with clients to do that is for them to realize what's their benefits of doing it. And it's. Yeah, I suppose it's at that level.
We say, Oh, what's the benefits, but you actually get them to write out the benefits and I'm not just saying one or two benefits. I'm saying, how does that benefit or how does that improve your life in this area? How does it benefit improve your life in that area? And I want you to write out when you get 10 in that one area.
I want you to push the 15 and then to go, well, how does that help in my career? How does that help in my relationships? How does that help in with me with money? And all of these things are interrelated. Now, all of a sudden this lopsided [00:22:00] view they had is now balanced out and they can see the benefits.
So now they're inspired and they want to actually do it. And you tie that back, you link that back to their shadow value. And bang, they're off and running. Yeah, I 100 percent agree with you that the person has to be inspired to do it themselves, or certainly the actions aren't going to continue. Yes. Yes.
And the biggest. Yeah, and the biggest way to for them to find that inspiration is for them to see all of the benefits and how that's going to serve their shadow value. So it's, it just loops back around and it covers all bases. It's great. And then, as as most people, well, not most people, but people know sometimes, If they're still struggling, it may be just a chunk of those sizes down and that was something from my corporate world project management and also coaching is to chunk those down to the size that people can take action and [00:23:00] can do it.
And once they start getting that momentum, that's where they get more inspiration back. They see it serving their shadow value. And they keep going. So yeah, that's the one of the other main reasons why they may stop is just because it's too big a task. And it's like, oh, where do I start here? Right? Yeah.
So sometimes they come to you after, you know, last week you said, let's do this. They've said, okay, this is the step that I'm going to take or the 3 steps or whatever I'm going to take before next week. And they come back and they haven't done anything. You often find that's because. They together.
You've come up with something too big for them to tackle right now and you chunk it down to a smaller Yes. And you keep chunking it down until they've basically got no objection to doing it. They're like, of course. Yeah, of course I can do that. So, yeah, ch chunking it down into that size that they believe they can do that.
So like, you know, fit Fitness, a lot of people you say. Yeah, [00:24:00] go out and do a half marathon, they're not even going to get off the couch.
So yeah, for a lot of people in one week, they, you know, put their running shoes on every day or something like it might be a very small thing for some people. Yeah. And it might be just going for a 2 minute walk or a 10 minute walk, whatever it might be, but it's about getting it to where they go.
Oh, I can do that. And so let's get that step done. Yeah. Yep. Awesome. So what would you say what's one piece of wisdom that you find yourself consistently giving to anyone who will listen, whether it's clients or friends or family, what's one piece of wisdom you're consistently giving out? Yeah one I like to imagine if you imagine a a, you know, like a share graph line, and I call that your life from your start on your left to when you pass on your right, and there's ups and downs the whole way, and one thing I'm commonly saying is that when people are feeling, you know, it's, nothing's going right, I'm in one of these pits.[00:25:00] 
Is that I'd like to say it's just a blip on the radar and one day you're going to look back and see that blip because there's other things that have happened in your life that was a blip at that time. It was the biggest thing in your life and you struggle to deal with it emotionally in every way. And so that's just a blip on the radar and whether it be one day, one month, one year, five years, it's happened for a reason.
And you've learned that. Now, you may not ever know that reason, but have comfort to know That's happened for a reason. So that's something that I've found comes out a lot even before doing coaching that would come out and it was, I suppose, a way of of knowing that there's always ups and downs and no matter how bad it is at that point, there's going to be better times.
For a reason. Yes. Yep. Have solace that it's for a reason and move forward. Yeah. Thank you Ja. Just a couple of last questions just to make sure that we've covered everything that we can in this short time. So if either of these [00:26:00] questions either are, both are, your answer is just No, that's perfectly fine.
But if you have something that's fine as well. So whatever, wherever we go with these. But number one is. Is there anything that we started talking about that you didn't get to say as much as you wanted to because we headed off in a different direction? I need a bit of attention. No, I think we covered, I think we covered most of the things that I had in my mind that I wanted to cover.
So, yeah, and then no, I think we covered all the main things. Fantastic. And then, is there anything about J. Thomas, about you, your philosophy, and your work that I didn't even know to bring up, that you think would be a glaring omission in a discussion of J. Thomas life and philosophy of coaching?
No I think we covered it. I think the main thing just to reiterate is that I suppose that belief of our neural pathways and there's positive positives and negatives. Of every [00:27:00] event. I think that's one of the main things I like to communicate. Fantastic. Thank you so much.
Jai, what I'll do now this there's two main reasons for this podcast. Number one is so that everyone can listen for free and gain whatever they can glean from these little chats with all different kinds of coaches and all different kinds of niches, different philosophies and whatever. But the other thing is somebody is going to be listening who.
Is thinking I need Jai Thomas in my life to help me move forward for that person thinking that today. How do they find you? How do they contact you? Yes, they can direct message me on messenger Jai Thomas. My email is Thomas dot ja j a25@gmail.com, and the website's currently under construction. So, that's zoho coaching.com au.
There's still something there.
You can still get to zoho coaching.com au. [00:28:00] It's I think in about two days you will be. Okay, cool. Awesome. Well, yeah, well, this won't be published for a week or two. So that's great. Thank you, Jai. And thank you very much for coming on and we'll talk to you again soon. Great. Thanks, Jeremy.
I appreciate it. Sorry, I better say that you can find all my links at jeremywest. net. Now, Jai, we had a couple of we had some listener feedback and it usually gives me. Sometimes gives me transcripts, but it didn't for a lot of them. So I thought Or play them here at the end and whether you want to stay on and see if there's anything to comment on, but I will if any of them are just, I don't want to include them in the podcast.
I won't. So, yeah, let's see if there's anything we want to add. Any replies we want to make to any of these. So here's the first one by KV with a smiley face. I've noticed there's a trend of people referring to themselves as coaches. And I've [00:29:00] always wondered about this because traditionally coaching has been relegated to sports and physical activity, not necessarily the mental things that you're talking about, the psychological things that you're talking about, not necessarily the physical.
I know that coaches and sports help motivate their athletes to push themselves and to say, Hey, you can do this. You're physically capable of doing this. If you do what I tell you to, if you follow my instructions. So when people are saying that they're coaching people in life and regulating their mental processes, they're really just instructors.
Yeah. They're teachers. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'd agree. But except that I can see why it's why the same thing is used as for athletics, because as you said, they're in athletics, they are motivating people and helping, well, inspiring people to do the very best [00:30:00] that they can. And that's what coaches are doing in life as well.
Yeah. Anything to add, Jim? Yeah. So, and I think what's important there is that you can have all the physical capability but mindset's the one that's gonna get you to the top of the level that you want to achieve or that you can achieve. And obviously you need both. You can have mindset and not have the physicality or that you're not gonna make it, but it's also gonna be the other way.
And I was talking to my partner actually just last night and saying, isn't it funny how this. You know, just in our suburb, there's probably five gyms, and every suburb's got several gyms, and each one of those have got several personal trainers in there, and it's such a focus, which is great, but the actual people out there, they should be getting personal training with their mindset to assist their life in all of those different areas, so it's yeah, just as important.
Actually, at one point, and I would actually say that within athletics, it's more personal [00:31:00] trainers that are doing, I think people think of the coaches as people that are doing physical training with people, but that's physical trainers. The coaches are working on mindset and just. Team keeping everyone together as a team.
But I, at one point when I was marketing my coaching, I was thinking of calling myself a personal trainer for the mind. I don't remember exactly the term that I had, but it was, cause I was thinking of setting something up where it was a daily sort of an app with a daily activity to do, so that's more like a personal trainer than it is.
I'd say like a code. Yes, it's funny looking at the exact same thoughts. Okay. I'm sorry. And it's KV by the way, not Kai. Go ahead.
Oh, yes. No, I was just saying, I've had the exact same thoughts of calling myself a personal trainer for the mind because that's, and that's actually what I've felt like I needed sometimes was a daily dose of of someone giving me the ideas of what to do today to move in that [00:32:00] direction.
So, because that was something I needed in the past, I felt like that was something that you put out and maybe I still will, maybe both of us will. Excellent. Let's listen to a few more. If you need to go, that's fine at any time. Just let me know. There's a few more from KB. But it seems like when you say coach instead of instructor, it, it involves your whole body.
Not just sitting at a desk and taking in knowledge, but actually incorporating your whole body into the instruction. Right. I'm starting to come to the conclusion after listening that, especially when you're listening to a man and there's men and women coaches is that the coaches are kind of making up for the lack of parenting that is the trend nowadays.
Less people experience a family situation with both parents living in the household together. And because they lack this training this training, this instruction [00:33:00] early on in life, they're seeking it down the road. And so that's why I think we see a preponderance of people referring to themselves as coaches in life as a substitute father or mother figure.
in their life that they didn't get early on.
That's interesting because in some ways my coach, did the opposite for me because for 18 years we are trained That you have to ask permission to do anything and your parents are in charge and at school your teachers are in charge so, you know You have to ask permission to have a second helping of food or you have to at school You have to ask permission to go to the bathroom and yes after 18 years of training and that it's really hard To then go into adulthood and realize that you have free will to make your own choices.
And the first thing my coach did with me was and she's a woman by the way, was to to make me write up a big sign [00:34:00] or inspire me to write up a big sign that said, I'm allowed and put it where I would see it every day as I was leaving the house. To remind me that I make my decisions now. I don't have to ask anybody else for permission.
Yeah, absolutely. And it is, it's like being conditioned, I suppose, in those first 18 odd years of your life. And I think a lot of people But it is, but I Go ahead. Sorry, Kai's comment. It's true to an extent that things that have happened throughout our childhood as adults, If it's a, an emotional charge that they do bring that in and it's even, you know, even a lot of professions you'd find not a hundred percent, but a fair majority, like, for example, nurses and they may have came from a family that was very caring, but also the complete opposite and that's why they just want to care.
And also a lot of law enforcement came. Because of their [00:35:00] childhood maybe they were feeling judged or they weren't judged. So it's kind of, I always find it's like either one extreme to the other that can mold people into that. So, yeah. Right. So, so you could become, because you had really good parents.
In fact, I've talked to some coaches on here who they, their parents were amazing coaches of them, which is what KB is saying is that. That coaches are substitute parents. So they then, because they had such good coaching as children, they're able to give good coaching as adults. But then there are other people who had the opposite.
They had terrible childhood and didn't have that good parenting. And then they probably found a coach who was a substitute parent for a little while. And then they were able to do that for others as well. Yeah. I think it's a great point. Okay, there's a bunch more. I think thank you everyone for leaving all the comments, but I think that'll do for today.
And thank you again, Jai, and we'll talk to you again soon. Thanks, Jeremy. Bye. 
 Thanks, KV.