jeremywest&davidsonhang [00:00:00] Welcome to Jeremy Chats with Coaches. Today I have Davidson Hang with me. Davidson, I would just like to start out by having you share with me and my listeners, who are you, who is Davidson Hang, and what drew you to coaching? Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. I started coaching that's a good question. I would say, what drew me to it was, I grew up pretty poor, so I live off of government assistance, and I didn't really have a father around most of my life he just left one day without saying a word. So I struggled with a lot of self doubt, a lot of like imposter syndrome. And then I started listening to a lot of podcasts where coaches were speaking and I was like, huh who are these people? And, some of them were like motivational speakers. And then I discovered like Tony Robbins and I was like, Man, these people are like really empowering. This is like totally different than the people that I surround myself with and just fell in love with the communities and would [00:01:00] travel and go to all these conferences. And I noticed as I started to work on myself, I started making more money and then just started being able to to meet like really cool people and accomplish more. So that's how all of that started. So tell me what would be, what would you say is the. the core philosophy behind your coaching? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. So I have six different pillars that I focus on, but essentially what I believe is that there's three core moments that like one in our childhood, one in our teenage year and one in our adult year that has made us who we are. And once we heal that we're able to just have a more self confidence. And I do think like our biggest weakness ends up becoming our biggest strength because we end up working on things that we perceive that we're not good at. So a lot of like the things that I think about or that I teach on [00:02:00] is just like around healing the past and then just like doubling down on what makes you great, like your uniqueness, and then being able to bring levity and play to a lot of things that. Like our trauma so that way we have like self awareness so that we can Work on just like improving some of our weaknesses and then that would just help us. Be a lot more successful because not only are we not being as reactive But we're able to choose instead of like just being unconscious to our triggers. I love that. So Looking at our greatest weakness becoming our greatest strength, what would you say was your greatest weakness that's now your greatest strength? Yeah. Yeah. I would say for me just thought I was like stupid because I just wasn't good at school. Like I was diagnosed with ADHD, so I just didn't really, was not good at like memorization and like the traditional like stuff that you learned in school. I think I overcompensated by reading like a thousand books, [00:03:00] like actually stuff that I care about, like biographies and just like motivational stuff. And it ended up being really good because I overcompensated so much that I felt like I learned a lot and because I learned so much, I was able to accomplish a lot of things that, I would say most people haven't accomplished in their lifetime, but but I'm able to do at the. Cool. Can you give me some examples of that? Yeah close to 700, 000 YouTube subscribers, publishing five books 300 podcast episodes, getting into LinkedIn, which, was, which, had over a million applicants. Yeah, just things that I never thought was possible because I just didn't have a lot of confidence growing up. Okay, that's awesome. So yeah, it sounds like your greatest weakness in a lot of ways was a lack of confidence and through your experience in self development, that's become one of your greatest strengths. Would you, is that what you're saying? Yeah, that's very [00:04:00] very concise or very observant. Yeah, that you noticed that. Yeah, it's it wasn't very confident. And I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes I do. As I play a bigger game, as I go out and put myself out there a lot more, there's definitely times where I doubt myself, but I definitely feel like I'm able to accomplish pretty much like anything I put in my mind too. But of course I could, like anyone else, I'm human as well. So there's definitely times where, you know, I fall short or I quote unquote fail, but then I'm usually able to see like the positive and every, weren't still going outside of your comfort zone and every time you go out of your comfort zone, it is going to be a little bit of lack of confidence, if you weren't doing that, then you wouldn't be growing and who would want advice and help from someone who wasn't growing themselves anymore? If you've already reached enlightenment, then you'd be in nirvana. You wouldn't be here on this earth anymore. Yeah that's the goal, that, [00:05:00] okay, maybe I just, could you maybe in one sentence, try to sum up, what is the core philosophy behind your coaching? Yeah okay, this would be an easier way to explain it. By discovering our blind spots, a. k. a. our disempowering narrative, we're able to build a more empowering narrative. And once we have that story, we're able to accomplish more. Because I assert that most of us are our own worst critics. So once we figure it out, we're able to rewire our brain to be able to just have like much more empowering thoughts and beliefs about ourselves. So basically it comes down to you, you did already say it actually pretty concisely, our greatest weakness becomes our biggest strength. Yeah, exactly. So how does that translate into tangible results for your clients? Yeah. So we, I, all of my clients, like usually there's one glaring, it's a blind spot [00:06:00] for them, right? It's always easy, easier for us to see other people's like stuff. A lot of the clients, it could be, Hey, I didn't have a college degree or, I'm ugly or I'm too short or whatever disempowering narrative they have, or everyone has their version of that, or I'm weird or I don't fit in, or I was abused as a child and, no one loves me. So typically there's one glaring thing that shows up. It's like pervasive. It shows up everywhere in life. And then once we. Are able to rewire and able to see like actually this is your biggest strength and then you know Usually it takes a few sessions. I usually thought the first conversation and they're like, oh my god, this is my strength I want to double down on this But once we figure out what that is, It's as easy just like rewiring it so that now they see that as like their competitive edge That's I love that. That's what my coach did for me is took me from that I'm weird and I don't fit in where [00:07:00] I thought that was the weakness to, I don't know, there's a quote that says, why do you keep trying to fit in when you were born to stand out? Oh, that's good. I love that And so yeah, I feel like that's happened for me That exactly what you've said my greatest weakness. I always saw as being weird and different And now I actually do think of that as my greatest strength. So yeah, I love that philosophy. Yeah, so that's powerful. Can you maybe using a an alias Can you share a success story of one of your clients that Where your cooking methods made a significant difference in that client's life or career or whatever it was that they were working on. Yeah, I have I'll just call him like Uber driver. I have a client who, let's just say he had, Like he had a really tough life, like his stepmom called him like a worthless piece of shit that doesn't deserve to live, like just all kinds of names, he was abused, like he just, his dad hit him like all [00:08:00] the time, like just horrible, like stuff, I wouldn't wish upon like my worst enemies, and obviously, it makes sense he doesn't have a lot of confidence like everything that he's been told, and just like the hatred, and the vitriol, and just like the crazy stuff that he's been through, he, reached out to me because I would write a lot of I would be pretty open about my vulnerability about my insecurities on reddit and we became he became a client of mine and I was able to help him like not only I think at the time like as an uber driver He's making thirty six thousand dollars a year But after working with him like on and off for two and a half years he was able to break six figures and Get into Gartner, which is like one of the top tech companies to work for and became a top performer there obviously that didn't happen overnight, but it really goes to show that, despite all the adversity despite all the obstacles like I was able to show him that he was resilient and creative and like he always went above and beyond because he felt like he had to Do way more [00:09:00] research and a lot more due diligence and everyone else, right? So he was like extra He always went the extra mile. So so that's one of my most rewarding Ones to think about i'm sorry. What company do you say it works for now? Oh, gartner And that's a tech company, is it? Yeah. Yeah. It's like one of the biggest tech companies like multi billion dollar company They do like it consulting mostly that's what they're looking for And was that what he was aiming for when he met you? Or was that something that he discovered that he wanted to do? So I helped him like move up. So this definitely wasn't like an overnight thing. So I would help them help him get like four promotions. He started off lights like as like an SDR, which is like more of the entry level, like getting into tech sales and then continuously keep building up. And then. You know move up to smb account executive the mid market account executive So it was over the course of a bunch of different [00:10:00] promotions and job switches but every time it's thirty thousand dollar raise thirty thousand dollar raise thirty thousand dollar raise and then You know was able to make pretty good money now so what I guess what I was asking is Did he already know he wanted to go in that direction of working or was he already working for the tech company? Or was that something where he's I don't know what to do other than uber driving And he worked together and he found his dream Yeah, I see what you're saying. No, I think like most people. He wasn't really 100 sure Nor did he have the confidence to get it getting to the company of that caliber like especially earlier on right? He's just lost and he wasn't really sure what he wanted to do You And I helped him land like three different jobs. So every six months, like we would like, reconnect and continue to work on it. So every time but he wasn't sure. He just knew he wanted to be in sales. But wasn't sure like what company he wanted to work at ultimately. But then once we worked on building his skillsets he developed [00:11:00] like more confidence. And then as he continued to develop more confidence, then he was able to finally interview at a top tier company. But yeah, definitely. That's not what he was thinking. Like he just wanted to break into tech sales which was like a lot different than what he was doing before. Okay so maybe using his and him as an example, or just more generally when you're working with a client that doesn't realize their own potential. How do you help them identify and unlock that potential that they don't even see themselves? Yeah, I. It's definitely a, a lot of curiosity it's, so there's a huge emphasis on the blind spots. So a lot of us have like unconscious narratives that we have that's usually we were just not even aware of it. So some of it is unpacking hey what happened? What led you to have these beliefs, right? So some of it, it's like a lot of healing work through some of the landmark distinctions that I learned [00:12:00] from some of my training. Some of it's through Tony Robbins but every client's a little bit different, right? But it's through a lot of, a series of questioning, because, you don't, you never want to fish for them, right? You want to teach them how to fish. So just do like active listening and curiosity. You're able to ask questions and then eventually they have a, what I call like aha moment. And then they're like, Oh, like maybe I'm not such a worthless piece of crap, but that happens to building that trust, building that relationship. And then they start to realize Oh, like maybe I am capable of. More than I had imagined, but usually it's like unpacking layers, right? Usually it's okay, what happened, like, why, like, why do you feel this way? And a lot of it's just like healing and then making amends as well, right? Some of it is just they did a couple of things that they're ashamed of. By going back to the past and either apologizing for whatever happened with whatever relationship or whatever falling out they had and then finally from Getting those [00:13:00] relationships good place like they start to build that confidence and start to take responsibility And then there's they're able to have a higher self worth because they're able to see that. Oh, okay Maybe i'm not a bad person after all. Yeah, I love that it's interesting because there's this You Tension for me between, improving weaknesses and just focusing on strengths. But I think this is a good approach, an interesting approach to look at your greatest weakness being your greatest strength, because it's not It's not that you're necessarily trying to improve your skills in that area. It's, it seems more like it's realizing that's actually a strength, not a weakness. For example, being weird or different. You're not, it's not like you're trying to change that so you're not weird or different. It's that you're trying to recognize how that can be a strength. Yeah it's like I just watched The Greatest Showman. Or is it called The Greatest Show the one with Hugh Jackman? I don't know. Yeah, I haven't seen it, but yeah, it's so good. So what he [00:14:00] does is like he brings all these misfits together he's he plays ppt barnum like the guy who started the circus and There's a really touching scene where You know, he, the, they didn't necessarily like that. There's all these Coco freaks. So a lot of the village people that were against all these burnt down the building, and then he goes wallows in misery. And then all of the circus, like the weirdos, like they come up to him and say Hey our parents were too ashamed to show us to the world. So they locked us in a room, but you were the first person to help us see that. Like we love ourselves. Like we shouldn't be afraid, but actually we should cherish like what makes us unique. And I think that's like a beautiful like metaphor for, the type of coaching that I provide where it's like, Hey whether, you're like, you're quote unquote, like a super nerd and you go above and beyond and you're on Reddit five hours a day. It's Hey, like the fact that you're able to have that much curiosity and the fact that you go above and [00:15:00] beyond and that you do these things or that you're laser focused You're laser focused on things like that's a good thing, or some people are like, they're just like, oh i'm super nerdy It's not like embrace that man Like embrace like if you're really into video games, then you should work for a video game company, right? So it's like what everyone else thinks is weird. It's hey double down on that and you know Once you find that thing that you really love like it doesn't feel like work anymore because it's just like you just You Being passionate and you just like doubling down but some people they don't know what it is that they love, right? So it's like also asking them as well. When do you feel like you're in flow state? What are you the happiest like stuff like that and then just by just curiosity they'll realize oh like I never thought I could make a career out of that. I know i've talked about this on I don't know if I talk about it on every episode, but definitely i've talked about this before Where what I love about coaching When I did my coaching certification the, it was Benjamin Harvey [00:16:00] was the trainer, but it was a couple hundred people. So he had an assistant for every five people. And we had, so we had group, small groups of five people, but before he put us with those, assistant trainers, he had them introduce themselves and say what they loved about coaching and the one that ended up being my assistant trainer. She said, what I love about coaching is that the client does all the work and it's so true. And yet they don't know that they are. They don't know that they are. The more that you ask questions and get them talking, the more they think that you have given them ideas. And when you're like, no, I didn't, all I did was ask questions. That was all inside you already. Yeah. Yeah. Beautifully said. I think, I'm not gonna lie. Like during the early stages of my coaching, like I felt like I had to do work, but then I also realized Oh no, like I'm fishing for them. Like I, and then it's always so much better when you, and I think the best coaching is when there's like [00:17:00] a long silence, like really intentional silence. And that's really, and you could see them like working it out in their head. They're just like, They're really struggling, but then once they get that aha moment, they're just like, Oh man, thank you so much for giving me the space. Like I really needed that. And thank you for having the patience to, to work that out with me. And, and it's just from our being, like nothing we're saying is it's more important about the being and the presence and lessen the words that we're using. And the curiosity, as you said there's something about having another person there. Who is curious enough to ask those questions and to go deeper and deeper that brings so much more out of you than when you are just trying to journal or try to think about it on your own. Yeah, there's something magical about that. Yeah, just holding space for someone as well. It's sometimes like people, it's not like they don't know, but it's, I think we get influenced by what other people want or [00:18:00] societal expectations and standards. So it's hard for us to get rid of the noise, cause like social media says something or our managers or our parents want something. So sometimes it's just providing that space and just being with someone and like just the energy they can feel from you and just letting them know Hey it's okay. What you're thinking is not weird. And just to normalize it as well, cause a lot of people think they're like, Oh I probably sound like a crazy person. It's no, you don't sound like a crazy person. You're saying the same stuff to me that all my clients say to me, but they don't say it to anybody else. So you think it's just you thinking that, yeah. So what are some common challenges that you're well, actually, let me ask you. Who are your clients? Who's your who's your niche? Who do you work with? Yeah I call them like humble high achievers. So people that are like on the outside, have all the external, I guess you can call it extrinsic motivation. [00:19:00] So like they win all the awards, like employee of the month and all that, but they feel like something's still missing. And that's because like they're, their whole life is focused on like winning all the awards and more of the extrinsic stuff. Oh what the company wants them to do, what their spouse wants them to do, but they're like, man, like, when have I ever actually focused on what, and actually was intentional about what I wanted to do. So I call them like humble. Humble high achievers that are looking to develop their like internal scoreboard. Yeah Just to go into a dark place for a moment that reminds me of a kid who Commit suicide at my school when I was in high school and basically I didn't know him. I didn't really know him at all. I knew of him. Everybody in the school knew of him because he got the highest grades. He was in all the sports and band and all the activities and he was the best at all of them. And my assumption by the fact that he ended up committing suicide is that he was, [00:20:00] everything was extrinsic. Everything was, for other people, he was achieving all of this stuff, other people and the outside accolades he wasn't. He wasn't following his true passion, that's what I'm guessing. Yeah, that's tragic. Yeah. And this is common with a lot of like Korean and Japanese culture, right? You always hear about this like famous, Celebrities end up committing suicide because they get all the awards, they go to the top universities, they win, like the Academy Awards and Oscars and stuff like that, or the Korean equivalent. And some of them do end up committing suicide, right? And, some of it's also because of the shame, right? Because they do have a big shame culture where like these Actors and actresses have to be all perfect, right and they can't mess up and then like as soon as like they mess up everyone just like shoots like all this hatred towards them and then they end up committing suicide and It's like tragic, it's like these people who I mean people are human, Like even if you're an actor, you're still [00:21:00] like allowed to like mess up every once in a while, right? It's like man, yeah, and we just need to be we just need to You Be more compassionate, right? It's like they have so much pressure, right? Yeah, I was watching an interview with Billie Eilish where she was talking about how affected she, I think maybe she stopped looking at social media, but she used to be really affected by all the negative comments and trolling and somebody, what, there was one particular thread where someone was saying nasty things about her and then somebody, I think, was defending her saying, you shouldn't be talking like that about a person and and then the person replied, Oh, she's rich and famous. It's not going to affect her. People just, yeah, they don't understand that these people are still. Real people with real emotions and, an ego that can be bruised and all of that. And yeah I listened to a lot of comedians and their process. And it seems like most of them, they're working, they want to get up. At least the old thing was get on Johnny [00:22:00] Carson on the tonight show and then make your own special and then do a show, a sold out show at Madison square garden. And I get to that point and they're like, still not happy. And I'm still. I've sold out the entire theater at Madison Square Garden. They're all there to see me and they're all laughing. Except that guy in the third row, he's just not laughing. Why does, why don't my jokes go over for him? That's all I can focus on. So yeah, it really is. Yeah, it's all about doing what, what makes you happy. Not trying to match the expectations of everybody else and do this, look for this end extrinsic way of being happy. Yeah. I would argue, I would go as far as like the actors and comedians and all of them actually are the ones that are the most like extrinsic motivated, right? Because, like normal people, we don't necessarily need a million followers or to be happy. But it's but I get it. It's addicting to like continuously to get, to be on like [00:23:00] the morning TV and to feel important. Tony Robbins says like the six human needs and significance is one of the six human needs. Like those are the people that they, they need the validation, but Tony says, if you want to. Shift to like a happier, more fulfilled life than instead of needing significance and security love and contribution is Actually what humans want so it's a simple mindset Reframe, but it makes you know such a huge difference Yeah and that makes me think about my uncle too he was a my uncle was a big politician in my home state and he admitted that He needed that validation of, winning a majority of the votes, that popularity contest. Yeah. We've all been guilty of it. I'm not going to lie. It feels nice to have this many subscribers or to be like when LinkedIn top voice awards, like it feels nice. I'm like, Oh wow. Like I've made it, but then to go on to the next one or we compare ourselves to others [00:24:00] where I had a call with my coach and he's very successful. I think he had 80, 000 LinkedIn followers. And when he posts, he'll get a thousand likes like per post. And then I'm not gonna lie, I told him like, Hey sometimes I do compare myself to him and he's yeah, but I've been doing it a lot longer. And he's I'm sure there's a lot of things that you're really good at that, that I'm not good at, so he's it's just not healthy to compare like that. Yeah. What about so your clients we've talked about this a little bit and you can continue on this line that we've been going or if there's something else you want to mention, what are some common challenges that your clients face and how do you guide them through those obstacles? Yeah, there, there's a framework. Yeah, so there's a couple frameworks that I like choose to focus on. So maybe it'll be helpful to go through some of these pillars. Yeah. One, one is called like legacy crafting. It's just it's simple. It's just like writing our eulogy. Because [00:25:00] a lot of people aren't really sure what they want to do. They're just like doing things because like their parents or they just haven't put the thought into it. And they're just like, and then one day they wake up and they're like I'm at a job that I hate, in a career that I don't necessarily enjoy. And it's Oh, because you never really took the time to like actually write down like everything that you want to accomplish. What is your legacy about? What do you want people to remember you? And. Who's doing the eulogy, and just that simple exercise just helps them be able to focus on what really matters, it's just it's it's very simple, but not a lot of people have done that. And, maybe some people are afraid right of doing that, but it's just, and then we just reverse engineer what that looks like based on what they write and the emotions and the feelings and the people that are there at, at their funeral. So it's just a bit more intentional when you write all of that down. Yeah, it is. It's amazing how simple a lot of the stuff that we do is. And yet, you can read a self help book and you [00:26:00] can, do this stuff on your own. And some people are successful at that, but it's amazing how much easy even though it's simple, it's just so much easier when someone's there with you, guiding you through the process. And it is. To do on your own, and I'm not sure exactly why that is, but something about that curiosity that I think, yeah, I think it's because it's always easier for us to spot other people's stuff blind spots, but it's, the distinction that I learned, it's called what we don't know, we don't know, so it's like, when we draw a pie chart, it's like, what we know is Like what we know let's say it's 5 percent of the pie chart. And then there's so many things like we don't know. It's 90 something percent. And then, but then if you think about it, it's what we don't know is still what we know, which is like what we can imagine. So it's at least we can vision it, or we can see that this is something, but it's just Oh, maybe I can just learn it via reading our podcast or whatever.[00:27:00] And then what we don't know, we don't know. It's that's a whole world of possibility, right? But yeah, it's that's the trick. We don't know. We don't know it. So when there's another human being. They're able to, they're able to see it because like sometimes it's like things that we take for granted. Let's say like I'm really good at like just taking action. But for me it's like I just do it so it doesn't feel like that's like my superpower. But then other, everyone else around me can see it because they're like, nah Dave said like you just take action like you're really good at it. And then so same, so that's why because it's like I just unconsciously do it So for me, it's just like just me existing, but for other people, they're just like, no, like that's definitely something that it's like very special, very unique to you. And I only know this if I, cause I asked 50 people Hey, what are my strengths and weaknesses? So after, after you hear it 30 times, you're like, okay, like that's enough data points. I think that, that's probably one of my superpowers. Yeah. And when you get in a certain frame of mind particularly if you're [00:28:00] depressed, which sometimes people are when they come to us, because that's look, actually, when I first went to a coach and I had seen a psychologist for a while, and that helps me get, from negative to zero I was no longer mentally ill, but, I wanted to get from 0 to 10 and that was what I was still missing was that direction and that's what the coach helped provide and the thing is when you're at that low point you end up having blinders on so it's not only blind spot that you might always have but when you're at a low point you you're like a horse with blinders on you can only see One, you can only see your problem, and you can't see, you might see one possible solution to it that you think is not possible, and there's actually all these other different possible solutions to it that you just can't even see, and yeah, when you have someone with you who's curious and asks questions, all of a sudden it opens up your eyesight, that third eye, it's that's a really good point, right? Like when we're stuck in our muck [00:29:00] or we're just laser focused because whatever we focus on becomes our reality, right? So let's say we're surrounding ourselves with like also Negative Nancy's or just people who just are always complaining about work or whatever It is like people are just complaining about life all the time. Then. Yeah, of course like I'm going to hate my job too, right? Cause it's like everyone else is just talking about how it's like the same, it's there's certain companies where I talk to people like the same exact company, but you talk to five different people and there's five people that like hate their jobs. Oh, this company sucks. Like every, everything about it sucks. My manager sucks. My life sucks. And then at the same exact company, same title, you talk to five other people. But those people are like, Oh man, this is this is my dream company. I love it here. Our manager's amazing. And it's the same exact role, same exact company, but what's, why is this such a different thing, right? And it makes you wonder, it's oh, am I hanging out with the right people? Maybe I should hang out with people who are like super [00:30:00] jazzed up about their lives, instead of people who always are talking about how this company is like the bane of their existence, yeah I always apply the 80 20 rule to and I'm not saying that I'm not saying that the numbers are accurate, but I always apply the 80 20 rule to anybody in any work position. I feel like 80 percent of people are there because it's a job, they've fallen into this job or they, like you say their parents or their spouse or somebody else has convinced them that this is it. A good job and 20 percent of people there are actually passionate and they're actually in the right place. And then, so I feel that way about therapists and counselors and coaches and everything as well, where people will say, I've tried a psychologist. It didn't help. I've tried a few psychologists didn't help. That's probably because you got the ones who are just going through the motions and you need to actually find the right one. Same thing with coaches. , or like you said like I think we just have different we vibe with different people [00:31:00] yeah, you just never know right? But if yeah, if you try enough coaches or enough therapists or not, you'll eventually find one that you click with you're like, ah, okay yeah, and that's the whole idea behind this podcast is yes, obviously Anybody can listen to it for free and glean a whole bunch of information from all different kinds of coaches on on self development of all different types. But some of those people will hear someone that they really click with just from hearing that person on the show and it's a kind of conversation and and they'll contact. Those coaches and find the coaches actually, lead them forward. I guess I want to wrap up and then I'll get you to, pitch letter or not pitch, but let us know where people can find you. We'll do that in a minute. But 1st, I'll finish up with these 2 questions. And these 2 questions are a summary or not really a summary of what we talked about. They're actually just checking if there's anything that we [00:32:00] missed. It's perfectly fine for you to say no on these questions, but it's also perfectly fine. If there is something that you want to explore with these questions. The 1st, 1 is. Is there anything that we started talking about that you didn't get to say as much as you wanted to because we went off on a tangent and ended up in a different direction? No, you're pretty thorough. Yeah. I think this was a really good conversation. Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity. No problem. Okay, so the last one then is there anything about, obviously I'm just meeting you today. Is there anything about your philosophy and your work that I didn't even know to ask, so it didn't even come up, that you think would be a glaring omission in the life and work of Davidson Heng? Is it Heng or Ha Hong, how do we pronounce your surname? Oh, . Yeah, I know. I'm pretty Americanized, so I say hang, but I think, okay, cool. Yeah. Technically in like China, I think you the other way that you pronounced it is like how you're supposed to, but let's say hang. If you say hang, [00:33:00] okay. Yeah. So is there anything about you, your philosophy and your work that would be a glaring omission in a discussion of who Davidson Hing is as a person? Yeah, I guess the last thing I would like to say is you know, I've been fortunate enough and that I have spent way too much money, have hired way too many coaches. I spent over 150, 000 and just soul searching. So I've tried, I've gone to so many seminars, read Almost 600 books and did, got certified in every coaching certification and just was obsessed about it. So basically the program that I created is a combination of what I liked about each of these different modalities. So it is someone who I would like to think that I've spent over 10, 000 hours just like really trying to analyze and just seeing what's best. I'm very proud that I was able to take this journey and really be able to compile [00:34:00] it into like a mastermind program that is able to add, the most value just based on my observations of just experiencing a lot of different types of coaching myself. Excellent. Let me ask you this. Let's forget about. The process, and for just 1 moment, what your program includes in it and instead just tell me, what is the result that someone will get when they have gone through your program? Yeah, that's a great question. I would say. Have boundaries, right? Because a lot of the folks that I work with are recovering people pleasers so being able to have boundaries to develop their internal scoreboard which just leads to Having a job or career that brings in fulfillment Some of the results are starting your own podcast, publishing a book starting a YouTube channel, like doing things that they were afraid of, but they're actually taking action towards it.[00:35:00] And some of my clients have also found the love of their life and have our, finally got married because they started loving themselves and just because they're loving themselves, they're able to attract like the right type of person in their lives as well. Thank you. All right, so what I'm hearing is that when someone has been 3 year coaching, they are able to find themselves and start being themselves instead of what everyone around them wants them to be. And because of that, they're going to be successful in finding the type of career that they're actually passionate about the types of relationships and maybe whatever it is with. That they're looking for, they're going to be finding those things, but based on the fact that they are now living as their own true authentic self. Does that sound correct? Boom. Very great summer summary. I love that. Awesome. It's recorded if you want to if you want to steal it, that's fantastic. So if someone listening is thinking, Oh my God, I need to talk to this Davidson hang. How do they find you? [00:36:00] Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm all over social media. It's pretty hard to miss me What's the best way to be able to What's the best way to be able to end up getting in actual contact with you? Yeah, i'd say my website davidsonhang. I'm also super active on linkedin. Is that davidsonhang. com? Yes davidsonhang. com perfect And you're super active on YouTube. That's fantastic. All right. They can obviously if they're in this place where they still want to just find out more and more information that can find you on YouTube and whatever, but straight to your website if they're ready to start taking action. Anything else that you'd like to add before we close? No, thank you so much, Jeremy. This has been a pleasure. Yeah, I love. The consistency of the podcast, podcasting is like one of the best mediums and I'm just happy that I had this opportunity and yeah, I know that you'll continue to make a difference with a lot of people through providing space for a lot of [00:37:00] other coaches to be able to share their work. And the impact that has is exponential. So thank you so much. Thank you, Davidson. We'll talk to you again soon.