📍  📍  📍  📍  Welcome to Jeremy chats with coaches. I have Vicky Horan and  linda McNair.  Yes, fantastic.  Good. Fantastic.  Thank you. I think I've met you guys briefly before, but can I get you to  each of you to discuss.

Yes. A little bit, tell us a little bit about who you are and how you became, how you ended up becoming coaches. Okay, do you want me to go first? You go first. Yes. Okay, I'm I live alone. I lost my husband many years ago. I struggled all of my life with really severe 

sinus infections. Went down the usual medical path, lots of antibiotics and nasal drops and throat sprays.

And then about 11 and a half years ago, I happened to see a presentation on live TV, morning TV. It was a day I didn't work, and they talked about sugar addiction, which was very pertinent to me. I was a very big sugar addict. And after watching this guy speak, I went cold turkey on sugar that day.

And I haven't had a sinus infection in 11 I haven't had an antibiotic in 11 and a half years. For me, it was a real epiphany. I felt like I could take charge of my own health. And I'd been on incredibly strong antibiotics, which,  In the end, we're not really doing anything. So I decided to pursue it because I was really interested in looking at natural methods, particularly in older women, which is who we work with.

Cause often we're a bit forgotten and invisible in the whole scheme of things. So I became a health coach in 2017  and that's where I met up with Linda. And just before we go to Linda, what, Vicki, how did you how did you find the world of coaching? How did you even hear of it as a career?

The job that I had only just resigned from I worked a lot one on one with people. I worked with women and children in domestic violence, so I was used to  communicating with people. I was used to running groups and I really enjoyed it. The whole coaching thing, apart from feeling like I had a really important message to share, the whole idea of connecting with people and being able to help them was really appealing. 

Excellent. Okay, Linda,  tell us a little bit about Linda, and who you are, and how you came to the world of coaching.  Okay I've been on a health journey for a long time. I was very sick as a child and always struggled with weight in my early 20s and 30s, even though I thought I ate relatively healthy.

So I was always on that journey and always looking out for things.  I, then in my 50s, I decided to, leave a corporate world, so to speak, and open my own business, which was bringing earthing and grounding to Australia and introducing that.  And in that particular business, I actually spoke to a lot of women probably, in the late 40s, 50s plus. 

had a lot of issues. So for me and I also did a lot of, I did a stint in lifeline coaching and spoke to a lot of people, a lot of people in that as well.  And so for me, it's been my own journey as well. I've cured myself of asthma fibromyalgia, lots of things just little things like that. 

And I've realized that, we need to be our own, I suppose our own doctor  and listen to our intuition more.  So that's where I'm coming from. And then I wanted to take it a bit further. So I found IIN as well as Vicky did and love. Their principles because it wasn't focused on one thing. I was considering going to something like a nutritional college or doing something in that field, but it was so restricted and it didn't align with some of my values  that I believed.

When IIN came along, it was  very much open to a lot of, different ways of health, and I love that, and that's, that was a, a whole year course and that's, as Vicky said, that's where we met up, and I wanted to get out of the, I, as I said, I had my business for, just over 11, 12 years.

And I felt that I wanted to now get out to something a little bit different, something where I wasn't responsible for staff and stock and things like that. So  we come together and thought, it'd be  really good to

Specialized with women because that's where we found there was the help needed the most. So we come together and said, let's do something about this. And, we're both different and we'll get onto that in a moment. We're both different, but we both have the same goals. 

Our core values are very  strongly. And Linda came to this journey through weight. I was not weight so much, but I was aware.  that it was starting to creep up. But when I went on this journey, I lost 13 kilos and I wasn't even trying to, so that was an added bonus for me. And it's good because we can bring different ideas to the table.

We. Might have, conflicting views on some minor things, but we always manage to meet in the middle and come out, I think, with the best solution for whatever it is we're discussing.  Excellent. I just, Linda actually, Vicky, can you confirm for me With Linda's connection sounding a little bit difficult for you.

Yeah. Is there anywhere you can move Linda? Oh, yeah, I'll move. Yeah, I'll go right into another room.  Excellent. Sorry. Yeah, that's good. If you're saying that, yeah.  Okay, is this sounding better? I'm in the  main living room.  I actually moved rooms too, in case it was me. So hopefully we can move forward.

I've got nowhere else I can move. So if it's me, then I'm sorry. 

IIN, I have, I'll confess that I've never heard of it. So do you want to tell me a little bit about IIN?  IIN  is the Institute for Integrative Nutrition. It's an online course based in New York and it goes to, it goes all around the world. And for me, it was love at first sight when I found this course.

And the interesting thing was they strongly recommended that we get a study buddy to help keep each other accountable during the course. We had a new module drop every week. We had exams we had to do. And the funny thing is that Linda and I connected and we live one hour apart, so  that worked out really well. 

Particularly as we're in the same sort of age group, we've got adult children, we've got grandchildren, so a lot of things aligned and we, as I said, our core principles are perfectly aligned.  Anything else you wanted to add, Linda? Yeah, I loved IIN as soon as I saw it as well, and as I said, it didn't confine us to if we had learnt nutrition in Australia, we would have had to follow the Australian guidelines to the T.

And that's one of the things, there was other things that it was about other things that affect your life, that could be, mental things, physical things just, all different things that came into it. And that's, I think what I loved about it as well. It wasn't just a sort of a box that you had to fit into. 

Yeah Linda, I just thought, you're still scratchy at times. Maybe if some of these questions can be answered by either of you, maybe Vicky can take those ones. Excellent.  So what, so you were became study buddies. What made you decide to go into practice together instead of as individuals? 

I had tried, I tried one on one coaching before before and when I first knew Linda because that was my thing at work. I would work one on one with clients a lot but it was very time consuming. You can only see so many clients one on one in a given time frame. So what we do now is online coaching, group coaching.

So we've got a whole  course. I've got nine modules, so they're all online. So you start at week one and you can't progress to week two until you finish week one. We also do group coaching once a week, we have a Zoom online call on a Tuesday night where all the participants in our course, we all get together on Zoom, they can ask questions, if they've got any problems, we usually bring a little bit of education around something that we've come across that week, or they'll bring something,  like last night we were showing some tomato sauce we found that, fitted perfectly into our eating regime.

We also have a Facebook group. So if through that week, they've got any questions they can ask in the Facebook group and we keep a close eye on that to make sure we're not missing anything. So  we try to give them as much support as possible. But there's also an element of accountability that they've got to bring to the table to, to actually put in the work, to get through the module, such as Linda and I had to do when we did the initial training course. 

But we've got a nice bunch of ladies. They've all gotten to know each other. So it brings in the social aspect as well.  Where they're meeting other people that are on a like journey, sharing ideas, sharing, family stuff. So  we really like that aspect of it, that community connection aspect as well. 

Yeah, that sounds like a very familiar model. I we were all in a similar group with, or still are with Fred McFall.  Exactly. It's a great model and it works well.  It sure is. I actually I have my own coach who was on the last episode two, Alyssa Freeman, and the two of us started out one on one.

I started in Brett's marketing and started doing his model of group coaching, and then she when I told her about it, she jumped in as well. And then I got converted from a one on one client with her to a group client. I actually find  being a group client. Bill is helps me a lot more than one-on-one.

She was amazing. One-on-one, but being in a group all these things come up Oh, yeah. From other group members that you were unconscious with you or whatever you didn't even know you were dealing with. And so you end up learning a lot more than you would on your own.  I would agree with that for sure.

Yeah, me too. So what's the name of your business? It's called Livi Wellness. So Linda, living Wellness LIVI For Linda and Vicky.  L I V I. Well, Libby Wellness. So it's weight and wellness for women over 50.  So what's the core philosophy behind your coaching?  Our core philosophy would be about helping women in our age group to be able to manage their own health. 

To a certain degree. Obviously, mainstream medicine will play a part for people. But helping them realize that there's a lot of things that you can do that aren't mainstream medicine. First thing, of course, is to look at what you're eating.  We've uncovered a lot of lies that women our age have been told.

We cover that in our free class. And we've been told these things our entire life. We were brought up on it. I know I was an absolute fatphobe for many years because I believe that was the source of my sinus infections because that's what I've been told. I'd also been told that I'd be on semi regular antibiotics and nasal sprays for the rest of my life.

But now I realise that sugar was the culprit, not the fat, as long as the fat is a healthy fat. And as I said before, my life changed that day and I've never looked back.  Yeah, that makes me think of a few things with doctors. Number one, I've heard so many stories. People who are morbidly obese.

Being told by their doctor that their doctor really looks into nothing else. They just blame everything on being obese.  And number two, doctors almost never talk about diet. Doctors have no, they have no training at all in nutrition.  I remember going to my doctor, who I've since divorced and she would sit there with her very big round belly, And dish out advice on weight loss while she had a can of Coke next to her computer. 

Yeah. So there's  no credibility there.  Yeah, and I was actually told by my doctor there was no way in the world that I could ever fix my asthma that I'd had from a child and I would just have to go on stronger and stronger puffers till  the end of my life and that certainly wasn't true and I've proved that.

Exactly the same as I've proved my health journey as well.  You guys are inspiring me to look more into stuff for my back because I've got  chronic  back pain that I've been told from x rays that my spine looks about 20 years older than it is and that's just bad luck and it's always going to be that way. 

Yeah, and I think that's the anti against. Oh, this is before my fall. Oh, I was gonna say, is that before or after? I'm sure you're back. Yeah, I haven't even, this is episode three and I've hinted, I've mentioned that I'm in hospital a couple of times, but I haven't. I'm not really talking about myself, so I haven't  shared with the listeners about the whole deal, but maybe I'll just do that really quickly, just so that anybody who's curious knows.

So I three weeks ago, I was putting Starlink Internet on my rooftop because that's the only Internet you can get out where I live. And I went I got the satellite dish up there. Took the first step onto the first rung of the ladder to come down and get the drill. The ladder fell. I broke 11 ribs two, two what do you call it?

Vertebrae, four of a thing I've never heard, which is called transverse process,  and my collarbone, so  Oh wow. It's just my team. Notice that's all.  . You're lucky. I'm very lucky to be, I think.  Very lucky that I'm alive. And my doctor said those that I do see because they live usually are in wheelchairs and sometimes can't talk.

I have no permanent, even with, so at this time, the doctors have told me that I don't have any permanent damage from any of this is just going to be the next 12 weeks  and then a little bit of rehab beyond that. But  very lucky. And that's why I'm doing this podcast because I've been meaning to do this podcast for years.

And I'm always too busy with work now. I'm not too busy with work and I'm getting a stunt. Go ahead.  Yeah, Jeremy, what I was going to say, looking to while you're in hospital, looking to earthing and grounding there's actually products you can get to use indoors now. And it has been, scientifically shown to heal and repair the body quicker, especially when you've had operations.

It's not going to do a miracle cure or anything like that, but it just helps the process. So you might want to, while you've got time in hospital, look into that. You'd really be surprised.  Excellent. And luckily I haven't had any operations and they don't expect to do any operations.  That's amazing.

Surprisingly enough, yeah, I just, somebody, I don't happen to believe in  any of the big religions, gods, but somebody seems to have been looking out for me out there.  Yeah, maybe. I'm not done with this life yet.  You've been given a second chance, that's for sure.  Yeah. Alright, so how does that core philosophy that you guys have behind your,  Business, how does that result?

How does that translate into tangible results for your clients?  Do you want to go, Linda, if you're not scratchy? Yeah I've got 3 bars on there now, so hopefully I've moved out the backyard, so hopefully it's better.  How's the weather there? It's beautiful at the moment. And I'm standing barefoot on the grass.

I'm at Ingleburn in Sydney, and Vicky's at Cronulla.  And I'm in the Northern Rivers, and it's been raining here for a week. By the way, that's Before you tell me about the tangible results for your clients, curious are your clients all over the world? Are they mostly or all in Australia so far? 

Mostly all in Australia so far. We haven't really reached out to other countries yet because we I suppose wanted to get a good base and see how everything goes. Because of that time, you'd  be happy to take clients on from anywhere in the world, as long as. They don't have the opposite time zone, which would make it difficult for them to get to your.

Yeah, that could be a bit of a problem. Yeah, that wouldn't be a problem.  Excellent. All right. So how has your how has your core philosophy translated into tangible results for your clients? We've based our modules on our what we've learned and  we've both experienced as middle aged women.

And so our we have a different sort of way.  That's why we advertise mainly for women over 50 because when women get over 50, their whole body changes  and there's very little study done on it at all. And most studies, anything at all to do with weight, exercise, it's all done usually on males and not on women and especially not on women that are menopausal age or, past that reproductive age. 

So Vicky and I are both good models of that. We've gone through things, we've got people in our own age group. How we bring that is we've structured our course to bring all those core values in, because it's not just food and it's not just exercise. It's also about stress and it's also about community and interest and keeping those interests, and breathing.

There's a whole pile of things that we bring in. So we do that in our modules. And, not be.  way out. Some things may be a little bit way out there for some ladies, but it's, they definitely enjoy learning about it. Like earthing, for example. And the other way is, we have our Tuesday coaching calls where we, anything that comes up we address and make sure that they're handling what we're teaching them.

We're not just throwing them in saying, here's the course, do it.  We're making sure that they're understanding it, they've got any questions, we'll answer it for them before they move on. So I, has that, did you want to add anything Vicki?  I was just going to say, I think in our course too, mindset, we do mindset first and that's a really, I'm  going to use the word hurdle, but women our age are often very set in their ideas.

Like they've been told all their life that this is the way it is and there's no changing from that. So we spend a bit of time on, on trying to overcome that because as I said before, we've been told lies, like big fat black lies about how to lose weight and how to keep it off and what we should and shouldn't do.

So It's about helping them to change and they have to come in with a mindset that they say that they will definitely be open to change. And I also think that society has deemed that women our age old and that getting getting fat and chubby and getting tired and getting sick is just part of life and there's nothing you can do about it.

And that's just absolutely not true.  So it's about trying to slice through all the haze of the societal expectation and lies that we've been told. We do spend quite a bit of time on that as well. We give them the nuts and bolts about what's good to eat, what's not good to eat. All the myths around exercise, of which there's quite a few.

And Bringing in things like good sleep and stress, as Linda mentioned, getting out in the fresh air, having friends, doing social stuff, having hobbies. Like one of the things we talked about the other week was what brings you joy. One of the ladies in our group is an amazing knitter and another one is loves to do art.

So we bring in all sorts of those lifestyle aspects as well. to help.  It's not just, we're not doing just a diet plan because they don't work. We're helping them create their own lifestyle. We give them a, an overarching umbrella of what's healthy and you pick out what you like. If you don't like avocado you don't have to eat it.

We've got lots of, we've got four recipe books, which are full of recipes. We've got a main meals one. We've got a breakfast one. We've got a sweet treats one, and we've got a snacks one. And there's delicious alternatives in there that you can eat pretty much anything. And the latest thing we've added is some hacks that women can do immediately around how they can manage before they even start the modules eating food in a certain order that will also produce really good results. 

Did that answer?  Can you briefly share that or her? I'm just curious.  Okay. So  you need to eat your vegetables and your salads. First because that will lay down like a netting in your gut and that will slow down the absorption of glucose and glucose if your glucose spikes,  not only will you put on weight, but it will leave you  open to  all sorts of chronic health conditions.

It'll either start them or make them worse. So  particularly obviously for diabetics, but for everybody, because people that have normal blood sugars still have these horrific spikes and crashes. Then you want to eat your protein and your fat. And they often come together. If you have a steak, you've got protein and fat together and then eat your carbs last.

So if you go down to the local bolo club,  and you've got chips and you want a couple, eat them last. Don't eat them first. Don't eat your garlic bread first because that will give you a huge sugar spike.  So it's like a visual of that is like a sink. So if you eat your carbs first, what happens is, it goes straight through the drought down pipe or drain through the stomach. 

But if you eat your veggies and salad first, it puts like a lining on it. Like when, if you peel potatoes in the sink and you've got water, it dribbles through. It does a similar thing. So it slows down that absorption into the blood. And yeah, so that's, if you want a visual, that's a bit of a visual. 

And that's interesting. That's yeah.  We've got a few. I guess Americans do one thing right. One thing it's, Americans, I think the fattest country in the world do wrong is way too big of portion sizes and all of that. But if you go to a restaurant,  if you go to a restaurant in America, then generally they bring you  Actually they bring you salad first, but they also will often bring a bread now that I think about it. 

And the funny thing about that is that, we have heard about that. The funny thing is that if you have the bread first, it's actually going to make your hormone, for hunger a little bit you're not going to get satisfied. And when you get that blood rise, you want more. So you're more likely than to, Hey, let's get more bread.

Let's get a dessert. That's  I know when I go out with my family, they eat all the garlic bread and then they order more.  Yeah.  Exactly what happens. And then they do if they get enough garlic bread, then they fill up on that and then they never have the protein and veggies. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. And then they'll probably want dessert because they've got that, yeah, hunger for more carbs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's a vision. Yeah. So no room for the good stuff, but they've saved room for dessert.  Yeah. Back in my day when I was eating sugar, I have been known to go out and just order two desserts  for my meal. 

That's pretty bad. That might actually be, that might actually be below your calorie count. Probably not because one dessert might be. 

Calories is a whole other topic, which we probably don't have time to go into now, but yeah.  All right, cool. So  you guys share with me a success story where your coaching methods made a significant difference in a client's life. 

Do you want to share  story? I was thinking of .  Yep.   Do I need to bleep out her name?  Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yes, please. Yeah. Yeah, probably. She probably wouldn't care.  Yes. Let's give her a different name.  She, let's call her Connie.  Connie? Okay. Connie. Tell me about Connie.  Okay.

Connie came to us and she wanted to lose weight. But she also had a problem because she would come home after work and she's got a husband and her elderly mother living with her. And she'd come home and have a chat with her mom and she said, I'd sit down every afternoon. I'd have a couple of wines and I'd sit down nibble on food.

So she was, she wanted to lose weight and she wanted to stop drinking. So they were her two big things. So she was really good. She joined the program and she really got stuck into doing the module. She came. almost, didn't miss a night with the coaching calls. And now, this far down the track, she's actually, she looks great.

She's lost quite a bit of weight. She's not coming home and drinking anymore. She wasn't getting drunk every day, but she, she's, She realized that drinking was becoming a problem. That stopped because she's changed what she's eating. Now she doesn't get the nibbles like she used to. She's eating really well.

She said she's sleeping so much better.  She's just started going to yoga with Linda. And she said she works in a school. And she said there's a, someone's having a birthday almost every day. And there's so almost every day someone's bringing in a cake or chocolates or whatever.  So it was very hard for her to resist in the beginning, but she said now she said I don't even  really want it anymore  And she said people are commenting on how well she looks the way she's lost just her skin  Just her whole vibe has changed and Yeah she's done extremely well, but then she's also put in the work of listening to the modules and taking on what we've suggested and she's got the results for it. 

Do you want to add anything to that, Linda?  Yeah, I think that, yeah, I would add something that, because her husband didn't exactly follow what she was doing. He, he would eat the meals, but he would add extra, come home and have biscuits before meals and things like that. And he just recently had an urgent had to go into a hospital urgently and have a,  two stents put in his heart.

Now he's going to be following what she's doing and hopefully that repairs his health down the track as well.  Yeah. He was, he's a very big man, so he was eating what she gave him and then everything he wanted to eat on top. So a bit of a restaurant disaster, really.  Yeah. So he needed his own wake up call. 

Yeah. Yeah. He's very lucky. Yeah.  Will you allow him to join your group, even though he's a man? We said he can sit behind her. We've said that to a few of our ladies, to the husbands. Let him sit behind you because we're a women's group, sometimes, we want them to feel safe to be able to say whatever they want to say, as far as their body goes, or their weight, or,  if it's something to do, it could be something to do, personal.

So we want them to feel in a safe zone, but there's nothing stopping their husbands being in the background or listening with one ear sort of thing.  And when we get onto hormones, you'd probably feel a little bit out of his depth anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna think. And  yeah, I was gonna and the story that I'd like to tell, which probably a lot of ladies might be able to associate with and I won't say a name so that way we don't have to say anything.

You can give her another name now.  Okay, let's call her Sharon. Okay. Sharon when she got into her fifties and a hormone started to change,  she was fine. She didn't change a thing, but her body started to change. She started to put on, weight around her belly, upper belly, and she couldn't work it out.

And previously in her younger years, she could just starve herself. She could just go, I'm going on a diet, wedding's coming up. I'm going to eat salad for, two weeks and the weight would fall off her. But once you get into that transition and your body's starting to, change in your hormones, you're losing your reproductive hormones.

That didn't work for her. And she, she got really depressed on why can't I lose it? What, I'm not, haven't changed anything. So when she, follows our prints, followed our principles the weight started to come off her. And and so that allowed her to We eat well.

It's not like we starve ourselves and we eat basically, we try to teach people to eat whole natural foods, which is what our body is meant to be. We don't count calories, but we count nutrients. So we're looking for the, we eat all the macronutrients because that's what nature provided our body and our cells to grow and to work with. 

And that can make a huge difference, especially as you enter menopause because sugar is a big enemy. Sugar and processed foods are a big enemy for a woman's hormonal system as she enters menopause. And there's a lot we could talk about, but we wouldn't have the time, but it's all about, the adrenals now are making a lot of those sex hormones that we need estrogen and progesterone.

So if they're interrupted with stress or bad sleep.  A lot of cortisol can flood the body. Or bad food. Yeah, or bad food, yeah, with inflammation. So for her just cutting back and cutting back on a lot of exercise. Like instead of being this particularly wasn't her, but it relates to another lady that we talk about.

And she thought that if she hit the pavement and really, stepped up her exercise that, Exercise equals losing weight, calories in, calories out sort of thing. That's what we've always been told, isn't it? Yeah, so unfortunately, as we get older, that doesn't work anymore.

Because it puts our body in a stress mode. So we're basically Better often we need to do like more sort of strength exercising to keep our muscles strong to absorb all that, glucose that we might be eating and to keep our balance going to keep our it's just good for everything.

And and that doesn't mean you sit on the couch and be a couch potato. It means maybe walking or doing exercises that you love to do. It might be taking up a dance class or a golf class or tennis, but not slonging it out. in a gym or stressing your body. And once you block, and that happened to me too, like I was really scared to give up physical exercise like that because I believed that's what lost the weight off me.

And when I slowed down and I started, I think I originally started with, something like belly dancing and then I progressed to yoga, which is  very much helps with stress.  The weight, just started coming off  Me really doing, obviously I was eating better, but the weight  seemed to come off and I wasn't doing all this strenuous exercise.

 Getting back to Sharon, she did all these things and and now she's can,  when you follow our principles, you can always reset and that's why we call it a reset because in reality,  we're not here to tell them. a piece of birthday cake, never go have a glass of wine and a slice of pizza with your friends because it's somebody's birthday.

We advocate if you what you can, if you can be good 80 percent of the time and eat whole natural foods, there's that leeway of 20% that you can indulge in those foods. And that When it's finished, when the holiday's over, the celebration's over, get back on track with your whole natural foods and everything falls into place.

You're not bombarding your body with processed foods. And when we get to that stage, we can live our life with more energy, health, yeah. Our body's getting the nutrients that it needs  to be able to be healthy, to be able to walk, to be able to, get down. That's why we want to get, do weight, some sort of weight bearing exercises or yoga to be able to get on the floor of our grandkids at 50, 60, 70 and get up easily.

And carry them on our hip because, they're heavy. You can do all those things. I don't carry mine anymore. My eldest one's 22, so I'm a bit beyond that. But I unlike Linda, I didn't freak out about giving up exercise because I never did any. Because I didn't like it. But I do realize now as I'm getting older that it's really important.

As Linda said, keeping strength and flexibility and balance is really important. So I tried all sorts. I tried Pilates. I didn't like it. I don't like yoga. Didn't like any of that. But I've just discovered what I do and it's aquaerobics. Because I'm so awkward and ungainly on dry land, water it doesn't matter.

And you can do lots of resistant stuff in the water. And I've just started Tai Chi, which I really like. As Linda said, it's really important to find something you love. Because if you don't love it, you're not going to keep doing it. It just, you just won't. That's good. It sounds and for you, it sounds like with your clients, you encourage them to find what they love instead of having a one size fits solid.

Cause it doesn't work. And I've just got one other really quick little story about a client who I will call Jenny. She'd had surgery for breast cancer and she was on a regime of medication for the ensuing five years. But one of the side effects of the medication was very severe muscle pain. Okay. Which the doctors had said to her you're just going to have to suck it up and put up with it.

But it was really interfering with her sleep and because she was feeling so terrible, she wasn't eating properly. She's putting on weight. Anyway, long story cut short, she changed her approach to diet and what she ate. That was the only thing she changed in the beginning. And within two weeks, that's how fast it was.

Her pain had gone from an eight to an, or a nine out of 10 down to a two out of 10. And sometimes it was zero out of 10, just by changing what she ate.  And then she added in all the other lifestyle stuff as well. And things continue to get better, but you can make a dramatic difference for some people really quickly.

Yeah. I'm glad you told that one because It sounded like at the beginning you were saying  that weight wasn't the main thing, but then it feels like a lot of the results you're talking about is weight.  Oh, look, we focus on belly fat. We're, we call ourselves often the belly buster coaches because Belly fat is so much more dangerous than fat anywhere else on your body because it surrounds all your internal organs and it actually secretes  toxic substances from the belly fat.

So it impacts on types of diabetes, heart disease, fatty liver,  So many chronic illnesses and it's the one that you really need to get rid of. I guess for us at the moment our promotion, particularly on Facebook's been really difficult because we're getting told that we're body shaming when we're really trying to help. 

It's hard. Yeah, we're not saying yeah. We're not saying that you have to have the perfect body because no, nobody can have it. It's very hard to get that. We're not saying that, but we, menopausal women, that is like the first place that it dumps the weight. Around that, usually not in a hundred percent of cases, but usually around the belly.

Yeah. And that's where it causes all the problems. So if you can get that down and you've, you, we can help them with that weight there it all starts to fall in place from there. It sounds like I've been menopausal since about my mid twenties then. 

I was going to ask, do either of you, do you have an opinion about HRT treatment? I've got a friend who's been on HRT for a really long time. And she's just, she's had a few health battles, but one of them was blood clots in the lungs, which they believe is. because she's been on HRT for 27 years.

So look, I think it's been improved a lot over the years. And I think on a short term basis, personally, I was fortunate that I didn't need to take it. If I had needed it, I would have had to think probably long and hard about it, maybe for a short term. But I also think, cause when I was going through menopause, that's when I changed my whole lifestyle.

So if I continued on my journey,  my menopause probably would have been worse.  So I think it's all connected, but I'm not  dead against it. But when I look at my friend and what she's been through and her GP was very happy to just keep, she looked, she tried to go off it and the hot flushes she got through.

were unbearable, which is why she was on it in the first place. So even now she's over 70, she's still struggling and probably will for the rest of her life, apparently with these hot flushes. But the particular drug that her GP had her on, the particular HRT when she went to the specialist, he nearly had a fit because he said, You can't give that to women over 60, because it gives blood clots, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, and for  my, for.  I think from my latest research that I've looked into it is that they recommend now that HRT is only recommended for women that are just heading into menopause, like 45 upwards. And for a short period of time, because as Vicky said, if you give the the women and keep it on, it's not recommended for long term, but what's going to happen when they go off they're going to get those.

Experiences if they don't change what they've done in, they may not want to change their diet or anything because HRTs allowed them to eat, not that good of food and still get away with it. It's, yeah. So that's what, yeah, as Vicki said, as you get older, probably even over 55, it's not recommended.

But, there's other things that women can there's bioidentical hormones that they can go down the path. And a lot of it is very much trial and error with that. Yeah, but what we've found is if you can get on the path of, good eating natural foods, cutting out the sugar, cutting out anything that's inflammatory and following our lifestyle principles,  these things just won't happen.

Like I was like Vicky, I was going through all these changes and doing all these, things and I hardly had a symptom at all. I think the hard part is I've got a friend who's got a friend who's a gp and I had occasion to have a chat with him one night and I actually drilled him on, on, how he interacts with a new client.

I said, do you ever go through diet or lifestyle? Rah. He said that he did, but he said to me, nine outta 10 people just want a pill. He said they'd rather yeah. Eat whatever they're eating.  And then when I get sick, go to the doctor and get a pill. So he said, that  beyond doctors not having a lot of training in nutrition, even if they do, that's  mostly the people that see, don't want to hear about it anyway.

So they didn't end up 

They end up just giving them what they want.  Yeah, they do. And they're very much band aids around easing symptoms rather than looking so much for the root cause of, why your knee's really hurting or why your back's aching and just giving painkillers or anti inflammatories.

But I know for me that day that I discovered that sugar was probably the culprit, it was like I'd been liberated. I can manage my own health mostly and I have over the last 11 and a half years. So  you know, I guess what Linda and I are doing, you're looking for those people like us that want to, escape the rat wheel of, taking pills for everything and being able to be your own health manager. 

Yep. Letting your body  the input of food and turn it into the. right chemicals on its own.  I know one of the quotes we had from IIN was the human body will heal itself by itself  most of the time given half a chance.  Which giving it the right fuel it's giving it a lot of chances isn't it?  Exactly, the right fuel, good sleep, yeah, fresh air, good water, yep, stress management, yep, all it just makes such a massive difference. 

Excellent, we're running out of time here. What I'll ask is two final questions for I'm not going to ask you to answer both or either of you to  answer or neither. If you don't have an answer to either of these questions, the answer is no, that's perfectly fine as well. The 1st question is there anything that we started talking about that you didn't get to say as much as you wanted to because we headed off in a different direction?

I don't think so for me. I think we covered  Most questions, Linda, what do you think? Yeah, I, as, yeah, we covered most things. As I said, I would like to just, say that we did, our main core is, we want to teach women, we want to empower women to take charge of their own bodies, which is not being addressed by mainstream medicine even health professionals.

And, that's what we're trying to empower these women. to be able to do to live, younger for longer and not be expected to think that they're going to get all these illnesses, they're going to get diabetes or they're going to get heart disease or they're going to get inflammation and sore joints.

We want to empower them to know that there's things that they can do.  I remember my friend a couple of years ago, broke her arm, went to the local casualty ward.  And they said, what's your medication? She's I don't take any medication.  Yeah, but you're 60. You must be on something actually.

No, I don't take anything. And then they set her arm, put plaster on it and they said, okay, we want you to take that for pain relief. And she said, I don't really need it. Oh, I've got some Panadol at home. I'll take it if I need it. And they're like, you have to take the pain medication. And she said I'm not going to, cause I don't need it.

So they got really angry with her cause she refused to take the pain medication, which she said, I was fine. I didn't really need it.  So  again, Interesting. I've never, the pain medication is the one medication that I've found. Yeah. Doctors will happily, often happily dole it out, but they're not pushing it.

Interesting. Yeah, that, that was all I was going to say. Okay.  The final question before I have you plug where people can find you is there anything about either of you or your business about your philosophy and your work. About you personally, or your philosophy and your work that because I don't know you that well, yourselves much better than I know you that didn't even come up.

I didn't ask anything about it and it would be a glaring omission in a discussion of who Linda is who Vicky is or who the business is. 

You go first Vicky. I think we covered all the core issues around weight loss is our main draw card for women. But it's so much more than that. Because the interesting thing is you've got to actually be healthy to lose weight, not the other way around. And that's something that a lot of people, a lot of women don't understand.

They think if they lose weight, they'll be healthy, but you've actually got to be healthy to lose weight. And that has been proven over and over again. So it's a very, I guess my big thing I want to say, it's a very holistic approach. As I said we support and encourage and make it as seamless as possible.

Cause we want these ladies that are in our group to do this for the rest of their life. It's not just a quick fix to fit in your dress for your daughter's wedding or school reunion. It's a, it's an important lifestyle reset. that is going to give you a much, much better chance of aging in a healthy and vibrant way and  not fit into the societal norms of getting, sick and old and silly, as you get older, which  you don't have to do.

It's just doesn't have to be like that. But unfortunately,  that's often how society will treat women our age. A lot of the time it's because we're women and we're older women and we don't have a voice and we're invisible to a lot of people.  So we want to shatter that.  Yeah. Said, Vicky. And I think for me, I'd just like to add that, I'm the bit of the scientist in the group, in the, in, in the partnership.

And but both Vicky and I, like we try and keep up to date with. any new scientific research, any new books that come out, any people having classes, we really try and keep on top of that because there's so much things coming out all the time. And I'm just currently reading, just started a book on how menopause affects the female brain which is a study they're doing, which is very interesting.

And, so we try and delve into that. And, sometimes I do experiments on myself and I share that with the group, because. I'm not going to tell somebody to do something that I haven't been prepared to do myself. And just recently, I wore a glucose monitor for about, a month and a half and shared my experiences because I could see in real time what was, causing my blood glucose level to shoot up and then, my insulin to maybe come in and what was keeping it steady and, how good it was.

That's what we do as well. So that's something about me that, maybe I didn't share. I'm very I love nature and I'm very much, whatever's the earth has to offer. I love that. And that's, where I, if I can be outside, I love that instead of inside. Yeah so that's, as I said we love to experiment and, if anybody wants to do it.

I let them know I've done it, and if they want to follow they can it's up to them.  When you say you're the I'm a camping expert too, but Linda goes camping and I don't go camping. Ha. Linda, when you say you're the scientist of the group, do you have a science background, or?  Oh no, I actually hated science at school. 

You are an experimenter who experiments on yourself. That's what you mean.  Yes. Yes. So some things out there that it's saying, that it's going to do this and that I often do that. I like to, I suppose I like to measure things. I often had blood tests so I can measure. If anything's changed, because I believe that, the latest books I've read, they, you have to measure, because if something, if you've got a level of something that's going down, if the doctor will say, Oh, it's fine if you're in between, A and B, but you could be at the lower end of A.

And that could be leading, the next month you could be below that level. So I'm a big believer in, maybe having a blood test, once every year just to, and to get the copies, look at them yourself and just, find out, make sure there's no major changes. But definitely no maybe if I'd followed a different path, if I paid more attention at school that would have been a path that I would have gone down, but yeah, it's just Or if they had taught Yeah.

If they'd been teaching something that you were interested in instead of whatever random stuff Everyone has to Yeah.  Yeah, exactly.  Yeah, excellent. Yeah, exactly.  Alright, anything else you want to add before we plug you? I don't think so, Linda. Alright, how do you, so the whole idea of this, I'm sorry?  No, that's fine, yeah. 

The whole idea of this podcast is,  The whole idea of this podcast is everyone that listens will be learning something from all different types of coaches, but some people are going to hear you two, for example, some people are going to hear any of the coaches from any of the episodes and go, Oh my God, that's who I need as my coach.

So if somebody is listening and is thinking that about the two of you, how do they find you?  Vicky? They would, do you want to, they would be best to go to our website,  which is Libbywellness.  com. au.  Is that L I V I wellness?  All one word,  dot com dot au. L I V I wellness dot com dot au. And  on there they would be best to register for our free class.

And we go, we've done a broad overview of what we do in the class. But we go into a bit more detail about the system that we use and the order that we do things in. And then at the end we will give them the opportunity if they're, they want more information is for a free phone call. So they can register for that after the class.

And then either Linda or I would call them and have a chat about where they're at, where they want to go. We're really keen to get women that are really desperate to change. We're not looking for people that will have a bit of a half baked go and say, Oh, it didn't work. So we've got a sit. A set of questions that we asked to determine as best we can,  whether,  because as we said, it's not a quick fix.

You're not going to lose a kilo a week and at the end of three weeks you'll fit into your daughter's wedding dress. It's about getting people that really want to make life changes for good permanently. Yeah.  Yeah, and it might be weight loss that makes them think about it enough in the first place, but once they, they really want people who want to make a change to their health.

Yeah losing weight is  the topic on the vast majority of women our age. If boil it down. But I think many of them don't realize how interconnected that weight is with other things that they're going through as well.  Yeah. The chronic illnesses, the aches and pains, the depression, anxiety, food can have a huge impact on how your mood is and your mental state.

So they may not connect  food and lifestyle to all those things, which is what we would help them do. As well as losing weight. Cause as I said, my, my initial connection to this lifestyle was not to lose weight. It was about my health, but the weight loss was a bonus. So Linda and I, we started our journey from very different points, but we ended up at the same place. 

Yeah. And I'd like to add me and Vicki, we don't eat the same. Like we eat differently. But we get the same results. We eat in the same umbrella of health food, yes. Yeah, we don't eat the same at all for a lot of things. Linda always has breakfast.  You don't eat the same as in, you both don't eat sugar and you don't eat a lot of processed foods.

That's the same  , so you don't eat the same  . But we don't and we encourage our women, we don't want them to follow a diet like, Monday we don't give them a diet, session this, and we don't do that because. They have to be able to come home on a busy night, look in the cupboard and go, Oh my goodness what am I going to eat?

Oh, let me grab some eggs. Yeah, I can fry some eggs. Let me grab, or maybe there's, there's some beans in the cupboard, all this. Let me put that in. Or there's a bit, there's a sausage. So that they can make up their own meal if they have to quickly. With all those sort of macronutrients,  yeah, without going, Oh, there's nothing in the cupboard.

Let me, order Uber eats in and, so just remember Linda and Vicki are not  If you're fat and happy, that's perfectly fine. If you're fat and unhealthy and you want to become a healthy person, that's when you're going to contact. And you really want to, and maybe women and a lot of those women. That, they might not consider themselves fat, but they may have that round belly, that little barrow like barrel belly.

And a lot of them will have very skinny legs, but they'll have this barrel around like an apple shape. And they're the ladies that really do need the help because all that fat is around the middle.  Yeah. Exactly.  All right. Excellent. Fantastic. Thank you. Oh, and I'll just say for myself, everyone can find all of my links to everything my social media the, my let's see, I've got an Amazon wishlist while I'm in the hospital.

So it's JeremyWest. net.  JeremyWest. net is where you can find me. I'll send you an earthing book.  Oh, fantastic. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you.  Thanks, Jeremy.  It's been a joy and we'll talk to you again down the track.  Thanks, Jeremy.  📍  📍  📍  📍  Welcome to Jeremy chats with coaches. I have Vicky Horan and  linda McNair.  Yes, fantastic.  Good. Fantastic.  Thank you. I think I've met you guys briefly before, but can I get you to  each of you to discuss.

Yes. A little bit, tell us a little bit about who you are and how you became, how you ended up becoming coaches. Okay, do you want me to go first? You go first. Yes. Okay, I'm I live alone. I lost my husband many years ago. I struggled all of my life with really severe 

sinus infections. Went down the usual medical path, lots of antibiotics and nasal drops and throat sprays.

And then about 11 and a half years ago, I happened to see a presentation on live TV, morning TV. It was a day I didn't work, and they talked about sugar addiction, which was very pertinent to me. I was a very big sugar addict. And after watching this guy speak, I went cold turkey on sugar that day.

And I haven't had a sinus infection in 11 I haven't had an antibiotic in 11 and a half years. For me, it was a real epiphany. I felt like I could take charge of my own health. And I'd been on incredibly strong antibiotics, which,  In the end, we're not really doing anything. So I decided to pursue it because I was really interested in looking at natural methods, particularly in older women, which is who we work with.

Cause often we're a bit forgotten and invisible in the whole scheme of things. So I became a health coach in 2017  and that's where I met up with Linda. And just before we go to Linda, what, Vicki, how did you how did you find the world of coaching? How did you even hear of it as a career?

The job that I had only just resigned from I worked a lot one on one with people. I worked with women and children in domestic violence, so I was used to  communicating with people. I was used to running groups and I really enjoyed it. The whole coaching thing, apart from feeling like I had a really important message to share, the whole idea of connecting with people and being able to help them was really appealing. 

Excellent. Okay, Linda,  tell us a little bit about Linda, and who you are, and how you came to the world of coaching.  Okay I've been on a health journey for a long time. I was very sick as a child and always struggled with weight in my early 20s and 30s, even though I thought I ate relatively healthy.

So I was always on that journey and always looking out for things.  I, then in my 50s, I decided to, leave a corporate world, so to speak, and open my own business, which was bringing earthing and grounding to Australia and introducing that.  And in that particular business, I actually spoke to a lot of women probably, in the late 40s, 50s plus. 

had a lot of issues. So for me and I also did a lot of, I did a stint in lifeline coaching and spoke to a lot of people, a lot of people in that as well.  And so for me, it's been my own journey as well. I've cured myself of asthma fibromyalgia, lots of things just little things like that. 

And I've realized that, we need to be our own, I suppose our own doctor  and listen to our intuition more.  So that's where I'm coming from. And then I wanted to take it a bit further. So I found IIN as well as Vicky did and love. Their principles because it wasn't focused on one thing. I was considering going to something like a nutritional college or doing something in that field, but it was so restricted and it didn't align with some of my values  that I believed.

When IIN came along, it was  very much open to a lot of, different ways of health, and I love that, and that's, that was a, a whole year course and that's, as Vicky said, that's where we met up, and I wanted to get out of the, I, as I said, I had my business for, just over 11, 12 years.

And I felt that I wanted to now get out to something a little bit different, something where I wasn't responsible for staff and stock and things like that. So  we come together and thought, it'd be  really good to

Specialized with women because that's where we found there was the help needed the most. So we come together and said, let's do something about this. And, we're both different and we'll get onto that in a moment. We're both different, but we both have the same goals. 

Our core values are very  strongly. And Linda came to this journey through weight. I was not weight so much, but I was aware.  that it was starting to creep up. But when I went on this journey, I lost 13 kilos and I wasn't even trying to, so that was an added bonus for me. And it's good because we can bring different ideas to the table.

We. Might have, conflicting views on some minor things, but we always manage to meet in the middle and come out, I think, with the best solution for whatever it is we're discussing.  Excellent. I just, Linda actually, Vicky, can you confirm for me With Linda's connection sounding a little bit difficult for you.

Yeah. Is there anywhere you can move Linda? Oh, yeah, I'll move. Yeah, I'll go right into another room.  Excellent. Sorry. Yeah, that's good. If you're saying that, yeah.  Okay, is this sounding better? I'm in the  main living room.  I actually moved rooms too, in case it was me. So hopefully we can move forward.

I've got nowhere else I can move. So if it's me, then I'm sorry. 

IIN, I have, I'll confess that I've never heard of it. So do you want to tell me a little bit about IIN?  IIN  is the Institute for Integrative Nutrition. It's an online course based in New York and it goes to, it goes all around the world. And for me, it was love at first sight when I found this course.

And the interesting thing was they strongly recommended that we get a study buddy to help keep each other accountable during the course. We had a new module drop every week. We had exams we had to do. And the funny thing is that Linda and I connected and we live one hour apart, so  that worked out really well. 

Particularly as we're in the same sort of age group, we've got adult children, we've got grandchildren, so a lot of things aligned and we, as I said, our core principles are perfectly aligned.  Anything else you wanted to add, Linda? Yeah, I loved IIN as soon as I saw it as well, and as I said, it didn't confine us to if we had learnt nutrition in Australia, we would have had to follow the Australian guidelines to the T.

And that's one of the things, there was other things that it was about other things that affect your life, that could be, mental things, physical things just, all different things that came into it. And that's, I think what I loved about it as well. It wasn't just a sort of a box that you had to fit into. 

Yeah Linda, I just thought, you're still scratchy at times. Maybe if some of these questions can be answered by either of you, maybe Vicky can take those ones. Excellent.  So what, so you were became study buddies. What made you decide to go into practice together instead of as individuals? 

I had tried, I tried one on one coaching before before and when I first knew Linda because that was my thing at work. I would work one on one with clients a lot but it was very time consuming. You can only see so many clients one on one in a given time frame. So what we do now is online coaching, group coaching.

So we've got a whole  course. I've got nine modules, so they're all online. So you start at week one and you can't progress to week two until you finish week one. We also do group coaching once a week, we have a Zoom online call on a Tuesday night where all the participants in our course, we all get together on Zoom, they can ask questions, if they've got any problems, we usually bring a little bit of education around something that we've come across that week, or they'll bring something,  like last night we were showing some tomato sauce we found that, fitted perfectly into our eating regime.

We also have a Facebook group. So if through that week, they've got any questions they can ask in the Facebook group and we keep a close eye on that to make sure we're not missing anything. So  we try to give them as much support as possible. But there's also an element of accountability that they've got to bring to the table to, to actually put in the work, to get through the module, such as Linda and I had to do when we did the initial training course. 

But we've got a nice bunch of ladies. They've all gotten to know each other. So it brings in the social aspect as well.  Where they're meeting other people that are on a like journey, sharing ideas, sharing, family stuff. So  we really like that aspect of it, that community connection aspect as well. 

Yeah, that sounds like a very familiar model. I we were all in a similar group with, or still are with Fred McFall.  Exactly. It's a great model and it works well.  It sure is. I actually I have my own coach who was on the last episode two, Alyssa Freeman, and the two of us started out one on one.

I started in Brett's marketing and started doing his model of group coaching, and then she when I told her about it, she jumped in as well. And then I got converted from a one on one client with her to a group client. I actually find  being a group client. Bill is helps me a lot more than one-on-one.

She was amazing. One-on-one, but being in a group all these things come up Oh, yeah. From other group members that you were unconscious with you or whatever you didn't even know you were dealing with. And so you end up learning a lot more than you would on your own.  I would agree with that for sure.

Yeah, me too. So what's the name of your business? It's called Livi Wellness. So Linda, living Wellness LIVI For Linda and Vicky.  L I V I. Well, Libby Wellness. So it's weight and wellness for women over 50.  So what's the core philosophy behind your coaching?  Our core philosophy would be about helping women in our age group to be able to manage their own health. 

To a certain degree. Obviously, mainstream medicine will play a part for people. But helping them realize that there's a lot of things that you can do that aren't mainstream medicine. First thing, of course, is to look at what you're eating.  We've uncovered a lot of lies that women our age have been told.

We cover that in our free class. And we've been told these things our entire life. We were brought up on it. I know I was an absolute fatphobe for many years because I believe that was the source of my sinus infections because that's what I've been told. I'd also been told that I'd be on semi regular antibiotics and nasal sprays for the rest of my life.

But now I realise that sugar was the culprit, not the fat, as long as the fat is a healthy fat. And as I said before, my life changed that day and I've never looked back.  Yeah, that makes me think of a few things with doctors. Number one, I've heard so many stories. People who are morbidly obese.

Being told by their doctor that their doctor really looks into nothing else. They just blame everything on being obese.  And number two, doctors almost never talk about diet. Doctors have no, they have no training at all in nutrition.  I remember going to my doctor, who I've since divorced and she would sit there with her very big round belly, And dish out advice on weight loss while she had a can of Coke next to her computer. 

Yeah. So there's  no credibility there.  Yeah, and I was actually told by my doctor there was no way in the world that I could ever fix my asthma that I'd had from a child and I would just have to go on stronger and stronger puffers till  the end of my life and that certainly wasn't true and I've proved that.

Exactly the same as I've proved my health journey as well.  You guys are inspiring me to look more into stuff for my back because I've got  chronic  back pain that I've been told from x rays that my spine looks about 20 years older than it is and that's just bad luck and it's always going to be that way. 

Yeah, and I think that's the anti against. Oh, this is before my fall. Oh, I was gonna say, is that before or after? I'm sure you're back. Yeah, I haven't even, this is episode three and I've hinted, I've mentioned that I'm in hospital a couple of times, but I haven't. I'm not really talking about myself, so I haven't  shared with the listeners about the whole deal, but maybe I'll just do that really quickly, just so that anybody who's curious knows.

So I three weeks ago, I was putting Starlink Internet on my rooftop because that's the only Internet you can get out where I live. And I went I got the satellite dish up there. Took the first step onto the first rung of the ladder to come down and get the drill. The ladder fell. I broke 11 ribs two, two what do you call it?

Vertebrae, four of a thing I've never heard, which is called transverse process,  and my collarbone, so  Oh wow. It's just my team. Notice that's all.  . You're lucky. I'm very lucky to be, I think.  Very lucky that I'm alive. And my doctor said those that I do see because they live usually are in wheelchairs and sometimes can't talk.

I have no permanent, even with, so at this time, the doctors have told me that I don't have any permanent damage from any of this is just going to be the next 12 weeks  and then a little bit of rehab beyond that. But  very lucky. And that's why I'm doing this podcast because I've been meaning to do this podcast for years.

And I'm always too busy with work now. I'm not too busy with work and I'm getting a stunt. Go ahead.  Yeah, Jeremy, what I was going to say, looking to while you're in hospital, looking to earthing and grounding there's actually products you can get to use indoors now. And it has been, scientifically shown to heal and repair the body quicker, especially when you've had operations.

It's not going to do a miracle cure or anything like that, but it just helps the process. So you might want to, while you've got time in hospital, look into that. You'd really be surprised.  Excellent. And luckily I haven't had any operations and they don't expect to do any operations.  That's amazing.

Surprisingly enough, yeah, I just, somebody, I don't happen to believe in  any of the big religions, gods, but somebody seems to have been looking out for me out there.  Yeah, maybe. I'm not done with this life yet.  You've been given a second chance, that's for sure.  Yeah. Alright, so how does that core philosophy that you guys have behind your,  Business, how does that result?

How does that translate into tangible results for your clients?  Do you want to go, Linda, if you're not scratchy? Yeah I've got 3 bars on there now, so hopefully I've moved out the backyard, so hopefully it's better.  How's the weather there? It's beautiful at the moment. And I'm standing barefoot on the grass.

I'm at Ingleburn in Sydney, and Vicky's at Cronulla.  And I'm in the Northern Rivers, and it's been raining here for a week. By the way, that's Before you tell me about the tangible results for your clients, curious are your clients all over the world? Are they mostly or all in Australia so far? 

Mostly all in Australia so far. We haven't really reached out to other countries yet because we I suppose wanted to get a good base and see how everything goes. Because of that time, you'd  be happy to take clients on from anywhere in the world, as long as. They don't have the opposite time zone, which would make it difficult for them to get to your.

Yeah, that could be a bit of a problem. Yeah, that wouldn't be a problem.  Excellent. All right. So how has your how has your core philosophy translated into tangible results for your clients? We've based our modules on our what we've learned and  we've both experienced as middle aged women.

And so our we have a different sort of way.  That's why we advertise mainly for women over 50 because when women get over 50, their whole body changes  and there's very little study done on it at all. And most studies, anything at all to do with weight, exercise, it's all done usually on males and not on women and especially not on women that are menopausal age or, past that reproductive age. 

So Vicky and I are both good models of that. We've gone through things, we've got people in our own age group. How we bring that is we've structured our course to bring all those core values in, because it's not just food and it's not just exercise. It's also about stress and it's also about community and interest and keeping those interests, and breathing.

There's a whole pile of things that we bring in. So we do that in our modules. And, not be.  way out. Some things may be a little bit way out there for some ladies, but it's, they definitely enjoy learning about it. Like earthing, for example. And the other way is, we have our Tuesday coaching calls where we, anything that comes up we address and make sure that they're handling what we're teaching them.

We're not just throwing them in saying, here's the course, do it.  We're making sure that they're understanding it, they've got any questions, we'll answer it for them before they move on. So I, has that, did you want to add anything Vicki?  I was just going to say, I think in our course too, mindset, we do mindset first and that's a really, I'm  going to use the word hurdle, but women our age are often very set in their ideas.

Like they've been told all their life that this is the way it is and there's no changing from that. So we spend a bit of time on, on trying to overcome that because as I said before, we've been told lies, like big fat black lies about how to lose weight and how to keep it off and what we should and shouldn't do.

So It's about helping them to change and they have to come in with a mindset that they say that they will definitely be open to change. And I also think that society has deemed that women our age old and that getting getting fat and chubby and getting tired and getting sick is just part of life and there's nothing you can do about it.

And that's just absolutely not true.  So it's about trying to slice through all the haze of the societal expectation and lies that we've been told. We do spend quite a bit of time on that as well. We give them the nuts and bolts about what's good to eat, what's not good to eat. All the myths around exercise, of which there's quite a few.

And Bringing in things like good sleep and stress, as Linda mentioned, getting out in the fresh air, having friends, doing social stuff, having hobbies. Like one of the things we talked about the other week was what brings you joy. One of the ladies in our group is an amazing knitter and another one is loves to do art.

So we bring in all sorts of those lifestyle aspects as well. to help.  It's not just, we're not doing just a diet plan because they don't work. We're helping them create their own lifestyle. We give them a, an overarching umbrella of what's healthy and you pick out what you like. If you don't like avocado you don't have to eat it.

We've got lots of, we've got four recipe books, which are full of recipes. We've got a main meals one. We've got a breakfast one. We've got a sweet treats one, and we've got a snacks one. And there's delicious alternatives in there that you can eat pretty much anything. And the latest thing we've added is some hacks that women can do immediately around how they can manage before they even start the modules eating food in a certain order that will also produce really good results. 

Did that answer?  Can you briefly share that or her? I'm just curious.  Okay. So  you need to eat your vegetables and your salads. First because that will lay down like a netting in your gut and that will slow down the absorption of glucose and glucose if your glucose spikes,  not only will you put on weight, but it will leave you  open to  all sorts of chronic health conditions.

It'll either start them or make them worse. So  particularly obviously for diabetics, but for everybody, because people that have normal blood sugars still have these horrific spikes and crashes. Then you want to eat your protein and your fat. And they often come together. If you have a steak, you've got protein and fat together and then eat your carbs last.

So if you go down to the local bolo club,  and you've got chips and you want a couple, eat them last. Don't eat them first. Don't eat your garlic bread first because that will give you a huge sugar spike.  So it's like a visual of that is like a sink. So if you eat your carbs first, what happens is, it goes straight through the drought down pipe or drain through the stomach. 

But if you eat your veggies and salad first, it puts like a lining on it. Like when, if you peel potatoes in the sink and you've got water, it dribbles through. It does a similar thing. So it slows down that absorption into the blood. And yeah, so that's, if you want a visual, that's a bit of a visual. 

And that's interesting. That's yeah.  We've got a few. I guess Americans do one thing right. One thing it's, Americans, I think the fattest country in the world do wrong is way too big of portion sizes and all of that. But if you go to a restaurant,  if you go to a restaurant in America, then generally they bring you  Actually they bring you salad first, but they also will often bring a bread now that I think about it. 

And the funny thing about that is that, we have heard about that. The funny thing is that if you have the bread first, it's actually going to make your hormone, for hunger a little bit you're not going to get satisfied. And when you get that blood rise, you want more. So you're more likely than to, Hey, let's get more bread.

Let's get a dessert. That's  I know when I go out with my family, they eat all the garlic bread and then they order more.  Yeah.  Exactly what happens. And then they do if they get enough garlic bread, then they fill up on that and then they never have the protein and veggies. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. And then they'll probably want dessert because they've got that, yeah, hunger for more carbs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's a vision. Yeah. So no room for the good stuff, but they've saved room for dessert.  Yeah. Back in my day when I was eating sugar, I have been known to go out and just order two desserts  for my meal. 

That's pretty bad. That might actually be, that might actually be below your calorie count. Probably not because one dessert might be. 

Calories is a whole other topic, which we probably don't have time to go into now, but yeah.  All right, cool. So  you guys share with me a success story where your coaching methods made a significant difference in a client's life. 

Do you want to share  story? I was thinking of .  Yep.   Do I need to bleep out her name?  Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yes, please. Yeah. Yeah, probably. She probably wouldn't care.  Yes. Let's give her a different name.  She, let's call her Connie.  Connie? Okay. Connie. Tell me about Connie.  Okay.

Connie came to us and she wanted to lose weight. But she also had a problem because she would come home after work and she's got a husband and her elderly mother living with her. And she'd come home and have a chat with her mom and she said, I'd sit down every afternoon. I'd have a couple of wines and I'd sit down nibble on food.

So she was, she wanted to lose weight and she wanted to stop drinking. So they were her two big things. So she was really good. She joined the program and she really got stuck into doing the module. She came. almost, didn't miss a night with the coaching calls. And now, this far down the track, she's actually, she looks great.

She's lost quite a bit of weight. She's not coming home and drinking anymore. She wasn't getting drunk every day, but she, she's, She realized that drinking was becoming a problem. That stopped because she's changed what she's eating. Now she doesn't get the nibbles like she used to. She's eating really well.

She said she's sleeping so much better.  She's just started going to yoga with Linda. And she said she works in a school. And she said there's a, someone's having a birthday almost every day. And there's so almost every day someone's bringing in a cake or chocolates or whatever.  So it was very hard for her to resist in the beginning, but she said now she said I don't even  really want it anymore  And she said people are commenting on how well she looks the way she's lost just her skin  Just her whole vibe has changed and Yeah she's done extremely well, but then she's also put in the work of listening to the modules and taking on what we've suggested and she's got the results for it. 

Do you want to add anything to that, Linda?  Yeah, I think that, yeah, I would add something that, because her husband didn't exactly follow what she was doing. He, he would eat the meals, but he would add extra, come home and have biscuits before meals and things like that. And he just recently had an urgent had to go into a hospital urgently and have a,  two stents put in his heart.

Now he's going to be following what she's doing and hopefully that repairs his health down the track as well.  Yeah. He was, he's a very big man, so he was eating what she gave him and then everything he wanted to eat on top. So a bit of a restaurant disaster, really.  Yeah. So he needed his own wake up call. 

Yeah. Yeah. He's very lucky. Yeah.  Will you allow him to join your group, even though he's a man? We said he can sit behind her. We've said that to a few of our ladies, to the husbands. Let him sit behind you because we're a women's group, sometimes, we want them to feel safe to be able to say whatever they want to say, as far as their body goes, or their weight, or,  if it's something to do, it could be something to do, personal.

So we want them to feel in a safe zone, but there's nothing stopping their husbands being in the background or listening with one ear sort of thing.  And when we get onto hormones, you'd probably feel a little bit out of his depth anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna think. And  yeah, I was gonna and the story that I'd like to tell, which probably a lot of ladies might be able to associate with and I won't say a name so that way we don't have to say anything.

You can give her another name now.  Okay, let's call her Sharon. Okay. Sharon when she got into her fifties and a hormone started to change,  she was fine. She didn't change a thing, but her body started to change. She started to put on, weight around her belly, upper belly, and she couldn't work it out.

And previously in her younger years, she could just starve herself. She could just go, I'm going on a diet, wedding's coming up. I'm going to eat salad for, two weeks and the weight would fall off her. But once you get into that transition and your body's starting to, change in your hormones, you're losing your reproductive hormones.

That didn't work for her. And she, she got really depressed on why can't I lose it? What, I'm not, haven't changed anything. So when she, follows our prints, followed our principles the weight started to come off her. And and so that allowed her to We eat well.

It's not like we starve ourselves and we eat basically, we try to teach people to eat whole natural foods, which is what our body is meant to be. We don't count calories, but we count nutrients. So we're looking for the, we eat all the macronutrients because that's what nature provided our body and our cells to grow and to work with. 

And that can make a huge difference, especially as you enter menopause because sugar is a big enemy. Sugar and processed foods are a big enemy for a woman's hormonal system as she enters menopause. And there's a lot we could talk about, but we wouldn't have the time, but it's all about, the adrenals now are making a lot of those sex hormones that we need estrogen and progesterone.

So if they're interrupted with stress or bad sleep.  A lot of cortisol can flood the body. Or bad food. Yeah, or bad food, yeah, with inflammation. So for her just cutting back and cutting back on a lot of exercise. Like instead of being this particularly wasn't her, but it relates to another lady that we talk about.

And she thought that if she hit the pavement and really, stepped up her exercise that, Exercise equals losing weight, calories in, calories out sort of thing. That's what we've always been told, isn't it? Yeah, so unfortunately, as we get older, that doesn't work anymore.

Because it puts our body in a stress mode. So we're basically Better often we need to do like more sort of strength exercising to keep our muscles strong to absorb all that, glucose that we might be eating and to keep our balance going to keep our it's just good for everything.

And and that doesn't mean you sit on the couch and be a couch potato. It means maybe walking or doing exercises that you love to do. It might be taking up a dance class or a golf class or tennis, but not slonging it out. in a gym or stressing your body. And once you block, and that happened to me too, like I was really scared to give up physical exercise like that because I believed that's what lost the weight off me.

And when I slowed down and I started, I think I originally started with, something like belly dancing and then I progressed to yoga, which is  very much helps with stress.  The weight, just started coming off  Me really doing, obviously I was eating better, but the weight  seemed to come off and I wasn't doing all this strenuous exercise.

 Getting back to Sharon, she did all these things and and now she's can,  when you follow our principles, you can always reset and that's why we call it a reset because in reality,  we're not here to tell them. a piece of birthday cake, never go have a glass of wine and a slice of pizza with your friends because it's somebody's birthday.

We advocate if you what you can, if you can be good 80 percent of the time and eat whole natural foods, there's that leeway of 20% that you can indulge in those foods. And that When it's finished, when the holiday's over, the celebration's over, get back on track with your whole natural foods and everything falls into place.

You're not bombarding your body with processed foods. And when we get to that stage, we can live our life with more energy, health, yeah. Our body's getting the nutrients that it needs  to be able to be healthy, to be able to walk, to be able to, get down. That's why we want to get, do weight, some sort of weight bearing exercises or yoga to be able to get on the floor of our grandkids at 50, 60, 70 and get up easily.

And carry them on our hip because, they're heavy. You can do all those things. I don't carry mine anymore. My eldest one's 22, so I'm a bit beyond that. But I unlike Linda, I didn't freak out about giving up exercise because I never did any. Because I didn't like it. But I do realize now as I'm getting older that it's really important.

As Linda said, keeping strength and flexibility and balance is really important. So I tried all sorts. I tried Pilates. I didn't like it. I don't like yoga. Didn't like any of that. But I've just discovered what I do and it's aquaerobics. Because I'm so awkward and ungainly on dry land, water it doesn't matter.

And you can do lots of resistant stuff in the water. And I've just started Tai Chi, which I really like. As Linda said, it's really important to find something you love. Because if you don't love it, you're not going to keep doing it. It just, you just won't. That's good. It sounds and for you, it sounds like with your clients, you encourage them to find what they love instead of having a one size fits solid.

Cause it doesn't work. And I've just got one other really quick little story about a client who I will call Jenny. She'd had surgery for breast cancer and she was on a regime of medication for the ensuing five years. But one of the side effects of the medication was very severe muscle pain. Okay. Which the doctors had said to her you're just going to have to suck it up and put up with it.

But it was really interfering with her sleep and because she was feeling so terrible, she wasn't eating properly. She's putting on weight. Anyway, long story cut short, she changed her approach to diet and what she ate. That was the only thing she changed in the beginning. And within two weeks, that's how fast it was.

Her pain had gone from an eight to an, or a nine out of 10 down to a two out of 10. And sometimes it was zero out of 10, just by changing what she ate.  And then she added in all the other lifestyle stuff as well. And things continue to get better, but you can make a dramatic difference for some people really quickly.

Yeah. I'm glad you told that one because It sounded like at the beginning you were saying  that weight wasn't the main thing, but then it feels like a lot of the results you're talking about is weight.  Oh, look, we focus on belly fat. We're, we call ourselves often the belly buster coaches because Belly fat is so much more dangerous than fat anywhere else on your body because it surrounds all your internal organs and it actually secretes  toxic substances from the belly fat.

So it impacts on types of diabetes, heart disease, fatty liver,  So many chronic illnesses and it's the one that you really need to get rid of. I guess for us at the moment our promotion, particularly on Facebook's been really difficult because we're getting told that we're body shaming when we're really trying to help. 

It's hard. Yeah, we're not saying yeah. We're not saying that you have to have the perfect body because no, nobody can have it. It's very hard to get that. We're not saying that, but we, menopausal women, that is like the first place that it dumps the weight. Around that, usually not in a hundred percent of cases, but usually around the belly.

Yeah. And that's where it causes all the problems. So if you can get that down and you've, you, we can help them with that weight there it all starts to fall in place from there. It sounds like I've been menopausal since about my mid twenties then. 

I was going to ask, do either of you, do you have an opinion about HRT treatment? I've got a friend who's been on HRT for a really long time. And she's just, she's had a few health battles, but one of them was blood clots in the lungs, which they believe is. because she's been on HRT for 27 years.

So look, I think it's been improved a lot over the years. And I think on a short term basis, personally, I was fortunate that I didn't need to take it. If I had needed it, I would have had to think probably long and hard about it, maybe for a short term. But I also think, cause when I was going through menopause, that's when I changed my whole lifestyle.

So if I continued on my journey,  my menopause probably would have been worse.  So I think it's all connected, but I'm not  dead against it. But when I look at my friend and what she's been through and her GP was very happy to just keep, she looked, she tried to go off it and the hot flushes she got through.

were unbearable, which is why she was on it in the first place. So even now she's over 70, she's still struggling and probably will for the rest of her life, apparently with these hot flushes. But the particular drug that her GP had her on, the particular HRT when she went to the specialist, he nearly had a fit because he said, You can't give that to women over 60, because it gives blood clots, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, and for  my, for.  I think from my latest research that I've looked into it is that they recommend now that HRT is only recommended for women that are just heading into menopause, like 45 upwards. And for a short period of time, because as Vicky said, if you give the the women and keep it on, it's not recommended for long term, but what's going to happen when they go off they're going to get those.

Experiences if they don't change what they've done in, they may not want to change their diet or anything because HRTs allowed them to eat, not that good of food and still get away with it. It's, yeah. So that's what, yeah, as Vicki said, as you get older, probably even over 55, it's not recommended.

But, there's other things that women can there's bioidentical hormones that they can go down the path. And a lot of it is very much trial and error with that. Yeah, but what we've found is if you can get on the path of, good eating natural foods, cutting out the sugar, cutting out anything that's inflammatory and following our lifestyle principles,  these things just won't happen.

Like I was like Vicky, I was going through all these changes and doing all these, things and I hardly had a symptom at all. I think the hard part is I've got a friend who's got a friend who's a gp and I had occasion to have a chat with him one night and I actually drilled him on, on, how he interacts with a new client.

I said, do you ever go through diet or lifestyle? Rah. He said that he did, but he said to me, nine outta 10 people just want a pill. He said they'd rather yeah. Eat whatever they're eating.  And then when I get sick, go to the doctor and get a pill. So he said, that  beyond doctors not having a lot of training in nutrition, even if they do, that's  mostly the people that see, don't want to hear about it anyway.

So they didn't end up 

They end up just giving them what they want.  Yeah, they do. And they're very much band aids around easing symptoms rather than looking so much for the root cause of, why your knee's really hurting or why your back's aching and just giving painkillers or anti inflammatories.

But I know for me that day that I discovered that sugar was probably the culprit, it was like I'd been liberated. I can manage my own health mostly and I have over the last 11 and a half years. So  you know, I guess what Linda and I are doing, you're looking for those people like us that want to, escape the rat wheel of, taking pills for everything and being able to be your own health manager. 

Yep. Letting your body  the input of food and turn it into the. right chemicals on its own.  I know one of the quotes we had from IIN was the human body will heal itself by itself  most of the time given half a chance.  Which giving it the right fuel it's giving it a lot of chances isn't it?  Exactly, the right fuel, good sleep, yeah, fresh air, good water, yep, stress management, yep, all it just makes such a massive difference. 

Excellent, we're running out of time here. What I'll ask is two final questions for I'm not going to ask you to answer both or either of you to  answer or neither. If you don't have an answer to either of these questions, the answer is no, that's perfectly fine as well. The 1st question is there anything that we started talking about that you didn't get to say as much as you wanted to because we headed off in a different direction?

I don't think so for me. I think we covered  Most questions, Linda, what do you think? Yeah, I, as, yeah, we covered most things. As I said, I would like to just, say that we did, our main core is, we want to teach women, we want to empower women to take charge of their own bodies, which is not being addressed by mainstream medicine even health professionals.

And, that's what we're trying to empower these women. to be able to do to live, younger for longer and not be expected to think that they're going to get all these illnesses, they're going to get diabetes or they're going to get heart disease or they're going to get inflammation and sore joints.

We want to empower them to know that there's things that they can do.  I remember my friend a couple of years ago, broke her arm, went to the local casualty ward.  And they said, what's your medication? She's I don't take any medication.  Yeah, but you're 60. You must be on something actually.

No, I don't take anything. And then they set her arm, put plaster on it and they said, okay, we want you to take that for pain relief. And she said, I don't really need it. Oh, I've got some Panadol at home. I'll take it if I need it. And they're like, you have to take the pain medication. And she said I'm not going to, cause I don't need it.

So they got really angry with her cause she refused to take the pain medication, which she said, I was fine. I didn't really need it.  So  again, Interesting. I've never, the pain medication is the one medication that I've found. Yeah. Doctors will happily, often happily dole it out, but they're not pushing it.

Interesting. Yeah, that, that was all I was going to say. Okay.  The final question before I have you plug where people can find you is there anything about either of you or your business about your philosophy and your work. About you personally, or your philosophy and your work that because I don't know you that well, yourselves much better than I know you that didn't even come up.

I didn't ask anything about it and it would be a glaring omission in a discussion of who Linda is who Vicky is or who the business is. 

You go first Vicky. I think we covered all the core issues around weight loss is our main draw card for women. But it's so much more than that. Because the interesting thing is you've got to actually be healthy to lose weight, not the other way around. And that's something that a lot of people, a lot of women don't understand.

They think if they lose weight, they'll be healthy, but you've actually got to be healthy to lose weight. And that has been proven over and over again. So it's a very, I guess my big thing I want to say, it's a very holistic approach. As I said we support and encourage and make it as seamless as possible.

Cause we want these ladies that are in our group to do this for the rest of their life. It's not just a quick fix to fit in your dress for your daughter's wedding or school reunion. It's a, it's an important lifestyle reset. that is going to give you a much, much better chance of aging in a healthy and vibrant way and  not fit into the societal norms of getting, sick and old and silly, as you get older, which  you don't have to do.

It's just doesn't have to be like that. But unfortunately,  that's often how society will treat women our age. A lot of the time it's because we're women and we're older women and we don't have a voice and we're invisible to a lot of people.  So we want to shatter that.  Yeah. Said, Vicky. And I think for me, I'd just like to add that, I'm the bit of the scientist in the group, in the, in, in the partnership.

And but both Vicky and I, like we try and keep up to date with. any new scientific research, any new books that come out, any people having classes, we really try and keep on top of that because there's so much things coming out all the time. And I'm just currently reading, just started a book on how menopause affects the female brain which is a study they're doing, which is very interesting.

And, so we try and delve into that. And, sometimes I do experiments on myself and I share that with the group, because. I'm not going to tell somebody to do something that I haven't been prepared to do myself. And just recently, I wore a glucose monitor for about, a month and a half and shared my experiences because I could see in real time what was, causing my blood glucose level to shoot up and then, my insulin to maybe come in and what was keeping it steady and, how good it was.

That's what we do as well. So that's something about me that, maybe I didn't share. I'm very I love nature and I'm very much, whatever's the earth has to offer. I love that. And that's, where I, if I can be outside, I love that instead of inside. Yeah so that's, as I said we love to experiment and, if anybody wants to do it.

I let them know I've done it, and if they want to follow they can it's up to them.  When you say you're the I'm a camping expert too, but Linda goes camping and I don't go camping. Ha. Linda, when you say you're the scientist of the group, do you have a science background, or?  Oh no, I actually hated science at school. 

You are an experimenter who experiments on yourself. That's what you mean.  Yes. Yes. So some things out there that it's saying, that it's going to do this and that I often do that. I like to, I suppose I like to measure things. I often had blood tests so I can measure. If anything's changed, because I believe that, the latest books I've read, they, you have to measure, because if something, if you've got a level of something that's going down, if the doctor will say, Oh, it's fine if you're in between, A and B, but you could be at the lower end of A.

And that could be leading, the next month you could be below that level. So I'm a big believer in, maybe having a blood test, once every year just to, and to get the copies, look at them yourself and just, find out, make sure there's no major changes. But definitely no maybe if I'd followed a different path, if I paid more attention at school that would have been a path that I would have gone down, but yeah, it's just Or if they had taught Yeah.

If they'd been teaching something that you were interested in instead of whatever random stuff Everyone has to Yeah.  Yeah, exactly.  Yeah, excellent. Yeah, exactly.  Alright, anything else you want to add before we plug you? I don't think so, Linda. Alright, how do you, so the whole idea of this, I'm sorry?  No, that's fine, yeah. 

The whole idea of this podcast is,  The whole idea of this podcast is everyone that listens will be learning something from all different types of coaches, but some people are going to hear you two, for example, some people are going to hear any of the coaches from any of the episodes and go, Oh my God, that's who I need as my coach.

So if somebody is listening and is thinking that about the two of you, how do they find you?  Vicky? They would, do you want to, they would be best to go to our website,  which is Liviwellness.com.au.  Is that L I V I wellness?  All one word,  dot com dot au. L I V I wellness dot com dot au. And  on there they would be best to register for our free class.

And we go, we've done a broad overview of what we do in the class. But we go into a bit more detail about the system that we use and the order that we do things in. And then at the end we will give them the opportunity if they're, they want more information is for a free phone call. So they can register for that after the class.

And then either Linda or I would call them and have a chat about where they're at, where they want to go. We're really keen to get women that are really desperate to change. We're not looking for people that will have a bit of a half baked go and say, Oh, it didn't work. So we've got a sit. A set of questions that we asked to determine as best we can,  whether,  because as we said, it's not a quick fix.

You're not going to lose a kilo a week and at the end of three weeks you'll fit into your daughter's wedding dress. It's about getting people that really want to make life changes for good permanently. Yeah.  Yeah, and it might be weight loss that makes them think about it enough in the first place, but once they, they really want people who want to make a change to their health.

Yeah losing weight is  the topic on the vast majority of women our age. If boil it down. But I think many of them don't realize how interconnected that weight is with other things that they're going through as well.  Yeah. The chronic illnesses, the aches and pains, the depression, anxiety, food can have a huge impact on how your mood is and your mental state.

So they may not connect  food and lifestyle to all those things, which is what we would help them do. As well as losing weight. Cause as I said, my, my initial connection to this lifestyle was not to lose weight. It was about my health, but the weight loss was a bonus. So Linda and I, we started our journey from very different points, but we ended up at the same place. 

Yeah. And I'd like to add me and Vicki, we don't eat the same. Like we eat differently. But we get the same results. We eat in the same umbrella of health food, yes. Yeah, we don't eat the same at all for a lot of things. Linda always has breakfast.  You don't eat the same as in, you both don't eat sugar and you don't eat a lot of processed foods.

That's the same  , so you don't eat the same  . But we don't and we encourage our women, we don't want them to follow a diet like, Monday we don't give them a diet, session this, and we don't do that because. They have to be able to come home on a busy night, look in the cupboard and go, Oh my goodness what am I going to eat?

Oh, let me grab some eggs. Yeah, I can fry some eggs. Let me grab, or maybe there's, there's some beans in the cupboard, all this. Let me put that in. Or there's a bit, there's a sausage. So that they can make up their own meal if they have to quickly. With all those sort of macronutrients,  yeah, without going, Oh, there's nothing in the cupboard.

Let me, order Uber eats in and, so just remember Linda and Vicki are not  If you're fat and happy, that's perfectly fine. If you're fat and unhealthy and you want to become a healthy person, that's when you're going to contact. And you really want to, and maybe women and a lot of those women. That, they might not consider themselves fat, but they may have that round belly, that little barrow like barrel belly.

And a lot of them will have very skinny legs, but they'll have this barrel around like an apple shape. And they're the ladies that really do need the help because all that fat is around the middle.  Yeah. Exactly.  All right. Excellent. Fantastic. Thank you. Oh, and I'll just say for myself, everyone can find all of my links to everything my social media the, my let's see, I've got an Amazon wishlist while I'm in the hospital.

So it's JeremyWest. net.  JeremyWest. net is where you can find me. I'll send you an earthing book.  Oh, fantastic. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you.  Thanks, Jeremy.  It's been a joy and we'll talk to you again down the track.  Thanks, Jeremy.